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in the 1930s President Franklin Delano

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Roosevelt addressed the nation through a

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fireside chats his aim was to reassure

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the common man that our society would

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recover from its troubled times while

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we're far from 1930 and I deal with a

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different kind of fire era of worldly

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frustration we offer a fresh

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conversation I'm Carl wood and praise be

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good people the Internet how the hell

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are you from sunny San Diego I'm Craig

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Carl wood and if you ask me it seems

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like a system built almost solely on the

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profit motive is a tough system to trust

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it leaves us guessing and a whole host

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the latest offerings from Netflix but we

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have hundreds of food companies that are

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lying about their effects on health an

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explosion of college debt because the

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the almighty market share where this

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necessary but the endless hunger for

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wonder and while there are countless

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microcosms of conflicted interest and

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profit driven deception to explore today

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conventional thoughts around eyesight

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myopia optometry and the hundred billion

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dollar business that is the eyeglass

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industry because based on the work of

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today's guest Jake Steiner and the

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countless clinical trials and scientific

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to be genetic or an illness at all but a

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carefully crafted ploy to put you in the

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oh so profitable pipeline of expensive

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glasses in designer frames if you don't

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who not only reversed his own

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nearsightedness but has synthesized the

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scientific data into a series of courses

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videos guides and more all laid out on

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his website and myopia org so let's get

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into it the eye guy himself and

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LensCrafters public enemy number one

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Steiner welcome to the higher side

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Wow Greg thanks that's what also intro

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thanks for having I try man I try and

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area where we see the same template

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applied and that is that there are often

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nearsightedness but what more can you

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so the truly fascinating thing to me

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about this is I used to have me okay I

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used to be nearsighted and the way I

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five doctors which is like when you take

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optometrist again and they said you

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tiny behind the lenses and I felt like

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optometrist why is this I remember he

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extent like even fifty years ago right

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clinical science clearly explains what

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mio Pia is but then on the retail

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denied and I'm generally not somebody

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theories or just the ideas that the

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mainstream is somehow wrong but that was

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scholar.google.com that school goals

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clinical science search engine that cuts

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type in PSE you do pseudo myopia and the

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caused by close-up so there's a muscle

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circular muscle around the lens in your

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eye and it tightens when you look at

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something of course and the closer you

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distance what happens is if you look at

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periods of time and that muscle spasms a

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temporarily and so it's called pseudo

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kind of persistent and like you could

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and stuff and you'd be fine but the

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optometrist doesn't tell you that it's

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just a muscle spasm and they give you

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lenses their lenses move the light

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further back in your eye to compensate

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for the muscle spasm while ignoring the

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muscle spasm and then the myopia becomes

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something called lens induced myopia if

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you put that in Google Scholar you're

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gonna get like 10,000 20,000 search

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results very clearly understood when you

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put those - lenses those lenses that

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give you the distance return back and

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from your eyes your eye and long gates

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because it has a mechanism built in to

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compensate for any

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a refractive error basically because

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yeah I doesn't know the glasses are in

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front of it your I thinks hey I'm too

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short and it along gates and the longer

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potentially increasing that

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quote-unquote prescription your eye

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continues along gating and that lens

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induced myopia is what most people have

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hmm right on right on

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and so you say screen addiction is a

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part of this as well as I guess to some

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degree artificial light is as are other

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things in our general modern society

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that are hurting our eyes to the degree

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that screen addiction and artificial

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light might be there's contributing

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factors as a screen the close up time is

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a number one thing if you eliminated

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that most people wouldn't have me Opia

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artificial I definitely is not fantastic

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diet can play a role like if you have

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diabetes for example you're very likely

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to also have myopia I just talked to a

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guy in our own little mini podcast who

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has been significantly lowering his

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blood sugar and his vision has improved

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dramatically but mainly mainly it's that

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the screen time is really the worst

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thing right on right on and so we all

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know that when a paradigm is set up such

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as the situation with eyesight which is

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that testing early and often is strongly

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encouraged and then when an industry

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controls the testing they tend to over

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prescribe they're bound to find some

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reason you need to use their services

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and now you're in this lifelong

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ecosystem that's very costly and doesn't

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address the root causes of the condition

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and actually makes it worse right I mean

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like you said lens induced myopia is an

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increasing problem as the prescription

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needs to strengthen right and even just

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calling it a prescription that was

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lobbying that's heavy millions of

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dollars at law being spent on part of

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the lens industry to make clear curved

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pieces of plastic a so called

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prescription you can go buy

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over-the-counter non prescription drugs

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like things that are complex chemicals

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things that you can overdose on that

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could kill you you can buy those

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over-the-counter but clear curved pieces

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of PLAs

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you can only buy from the so called eye

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doctor optometrist and also those things

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are being sold at hugely inflated prices

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right right that's something I've

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learned from the friends of mine who do

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wear glasses that the Internet has kind

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of really opened the floodgates to them

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being able to get what they think they

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need at a reasonable price and I know

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that going to these places is difficult

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because even if you feel like you know

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what you need they're like what you

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can't get any new glasses and unless you

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sit down for a consultation and then

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once you're in the desk once they're

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doing the testing

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now they got you I mean this is a

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business people forget this isn't for

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the common good it's a business that's

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right and it's fascinating to me how

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much we accept things how condition we

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have to accept things because you go to

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a Tom tryst in most cases it's clearly a

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retail store a lot of times in a

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shopping mall yeah right like it's next

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to the shoe store and when you walk in

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there it's all fashion frames and brand

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names and two-for-one sales and then

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somehow you're still being sold this

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medical condition thing I'm like what

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other medical conditions are you being

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quote appropriate for in a shopping mall

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it's an amazing setup it really is

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they've had it locked down for a while

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man so I totally see how you put these

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lenses in front of your eyes your eyes

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are trying to adjust to this thing

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that's not natural that's right in front

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of them all the time and this increases

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the problem it exacerbates the issue and

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it lasts your whole life you need

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stronger and stronger glasses but if

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we're to go back to like that first

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fundamental issue that the optometrists

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are picking up on before you have any

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glasses I mean are you saying that

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there's zero genetic myopia I see babies

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with glasses before they've even had

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time to develop close up screen habits I

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mean what is the deal there is that just

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lies no not necessarily

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of course they exist medical conditions

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with the eye that can happen but it's as

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rare as a lot of other things that

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I mean we're talking single percentages

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right with babies with babies are

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interesting thing is babies are hyper up

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it's the opposite of myopia where the

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baby can't see clearly up close the

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eyeball is too short basically when

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you're born and from environmental

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stimulus to eyeball along gates to the

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right leg and it doesn't through your

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whole life eyeball is always shortening

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and elongating trying to find the

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perfect middle ground for the best

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vision but as a baby you can't see

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clearly up close so it can happen and

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I've seen it happen where babies are

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being quote-unquote diagnosed and

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they're being found to be hyper optic

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and they're getting glasses for that

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where that's completely normal mmm that

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can happen that baby so myopic and

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that's outside of my range right like

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it's not any one thing always has the

359
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same cause but in most cases and in

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cases where you remember in your

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childhood there was a point where you

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could see fine at a distance then it's

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not genetic right on right on and the

364
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larger point here is the building and

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industry there's always a little truth

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there that things are built on but they

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go way overboard blow it out of

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proportion and then over prescribe into

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this as we said a hundred billion dollar

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industry and if the damage to our

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eyesight is more related to the

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environment or habits like staring at

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the phone screen the truth is that a lot

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of people are weak they don't want to

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change their patterns they don't want to

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do something different some people would

377
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rather get their stomach stapled than

378
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stop eating junk food and industry is

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very happy to slide on in and offer a

380
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quick fix and that is what we're seeing

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in eye care right a hundred percent and

382
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I was actually about to say that this is

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a supply demand thing because what I

384
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found with doing the NGO Pia thing for

385
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close to two decades now is most people

386
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don't even want to know if a quick-fix

387
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exists they're happy so I get it from

388
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both sides because optometrists still

389
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like me but then also the general public

390
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like I stay away from polluting this in

391
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front of people or not looking for it

392
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because I don't even want to hear it

393
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right because then they'd have to face

394
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their screen addiction and then they'd

395
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have to realize there's effort involved

396
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and that

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they are responsible for the own

398
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well-being and people who love that

399
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right it's like a lot of pharmaceuticals

400
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they address the symptoms not the

401
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initial cause you could say that about a

402
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lot of depression medication is it like

403
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are you really chemically imbalanced or

404
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do you just hate your job and hate your

405
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life and you can't find a girl I mean do

406
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you need pills for everything not really

407
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but if they can stop you from feeling

408
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some people will add certain points in

409
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their life but I definitely see how

410
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screen addiction is making our eyesight

411
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worse it makes sense but that's only

412
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really been a problem for the last 25

413
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years or so right I mean my grandpa wore

414
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glasses I know kids back in the first

415
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grade with me who were wearing glasses

416
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myopia seems to have been with us at

417
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least a while longer than the screens

418
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have right

419
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yes what happens is myopia has been with

420
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us since the time that we're doing close

421
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up and actually glasses were said to be

422
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invented sometime in the sixteenth

423
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century and they were originally made

424
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for monks because back in those days

425
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monks were the only ones reading right

426
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and they weren't reading in low-light

427
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conditions they're reading in front of

428
00:16:43,410 --> 00:16:40,040
candles they spent a lot of time of

429
00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:43,420
clothes developing the same issue so as

430
00:16:47,740 --> 00:16:46,490
we continued into more and more people

431
00:16:50,139 --> 00:16:47,750
spending more and more time of clothes

432
00:16:52,900 --> 00:16:50,149
back in our day it was books right like

433
00:16:54,939 --> 00:16:52,910
books maybe TV maybe computer games are

434
00:16:58,420 --> 00:16:54,949
starting to come around the more clothes

435
00:16:59,740 --> 00:16:58,430
up the more prevalence of neo Pia now

436
00:17:02,199 --> 00:16:59,750
we're having a totally different issue

437
00:17:05,470 --> 00:17:02,209
because my email these days is parents

438
00:17:07,049 --> 00:17:05,480
saying my five-year-old has myopia ten

439
00:17:09,549 --> 00:17:07,059
years ago I used to not see that at all

440
00:17:12,069 --> 00:17:09,559
but now the kids are being raised on

441
00:17:14,289 --> 00:17:12,079
iPads so the thing that happens now is

442
00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:14,299
the prevalence increases and the age

443
00:17:18,250 --> 00:17:16,490
decreases you used to not hear about

444
00:17:20,289 --> 00:17:18,260
five year olds having the Opia now it's

445
00:17:22,120 --> 00:17:20,299
all day every day that's all I get and

446
00:17:24,429 --> 00:17:22,130
I'm always like okay how much time does

447
00:17:26,860 --> 00:17:24,439
your kid spend from an iPad and well you

448
00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:26,870
know I get busy and kid loves it and

449
00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:29,450
yeah well that's that's what moves it

450
00:17:34,210 --> 00:17:31,610
all back to a younger age and more of it

451
00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:34,220
right right and it is so sad when

452
00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:37,010
parents can't just say we need to take

453
00:17:42,250 --> 00:17:39,770
this away they're just so soft these

454
00:17:45,460 --> 00:17:42,260
days it seems but I guess if when I

455
00:17:48,610 --> 00:17:45,470
looked it up it said that myopia affects

456
00:17:50,140 --> 00:17:48,620
about 30% of the u.s. population I don't

457
00:17:52,330 --> 00:17:50,150
know if that jives exactly with your

458
00:17:54,370 --> 00:17:52,340
research but in some areas of the world

459
00:17:56,740 --> 00:17:54,380
it is much higher than that can you talk

460
00:17:59,530 --> 00:17:56,750
to us a little bit about geography and

461
00:18:02,289 --> 00:17:59,540
the various rates and the numbers that

462
00:18:06,460 --> 00:18:02,299
you have yeah sure the numbers kind of

463
00:18:08,110 --> 00:18:06,470
range I get something closer to 50%

464
00:18:10,180 --> 00:18:08,120
they're not necessarily that accurate

465
00:18:11,990 --> 00:18:10,190
they're much higher in some Asian

466
00:18:14,120 --> 00:18:12,000
populations

467
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develop Asian countries in particular

468
00:18:20,030 --> 00:18:16,910
there are some genetic markers that

469
00:18:22,460 --> 00:18:20,040
suggest that certain populations eyes

470
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are more predisposed to that axial

471
00:18:28,790 --> 00:18:26,340
allegation so what happens is myopia is

472
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not genetic but when you put glasses in

473
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front of my eyes or your eyes or some

474
00:18:35,810 --> 00:18:33,810
other person's eyes our rate of axial

475
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change or the degree to which our eyes

476
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will elongate is going to be different

477
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and therefore genetic markers that have

478
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been found that are more prevalent Asian

479
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populations along with that the

480
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education requirements in some countries

481
00:18:52,550 --> 00:18:49,200
are just insane like Singapore and Hong

482
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Kong kids are constantly studying also

483
00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:54,210
those kinds of Asian kids that seem to

484
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have that genetic marker more commonly

485
00:19:01,160 --> 00:18:59,250
Hong Kong and Singapore for example have

486
00:19:05,150 --> 00:19:01,170
myopia incidence rates in school-aged

487
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children of over 90% so basically in

488
00:19:10,460 --> 00:19:07,830
those countries just about every kid

489
00:19:12,460 --> 00:19:10,470
needs glasses 90% right and it's not

490
00:19:15,050 --> 00:19:12,470
going down and it's considered a major

491
00:19:16,610 --> 00:19:15,060
health risk issue that they're trying to

492
00:19:18,740 --> 00:19:16,620
figure out but they're not finding any

493
00:19:22,730 --> 00:19:18,750
answers to and again there's like some

494
00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:22,740
combination of the genetic likelihood

495
00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:25,290
that you need more glasses you start

496
00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:26,970
wearing glasses and they just spend so

497
00:19:33,860 --> 00:19:29,730
much time studying compared to

498
00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:33,870
kids in the US hmm very interesting and

499
00:19:38,420 --> 00:19:36,690
I like your website and everything you

500
00:19:41,620 --> 00:19:38,430
constantly are emphasizing the point

501
00:19:44,420 --> 00:19:41,630
over and over that your eyes aren't

502
00:19:46,430 --> 00:19:44,430
deteriorating they're adjusting to what

503
00:19:48,530 --> 00:19:46,440
you put in front of them that's a work

504
00:19:51,650 --> 00:19:48,540
and I this is how your eyes are supposed

505
00:19:54,170 --> 00:19:51,660
to work and it's a complete flip on the

506
00:19:56,270 --> 00:19:54,180
language that you're given from the eye

507
00:19:58,220 --> 00:19:56,280
care industry they're saying it's a slow

508
00:20:01,310 --> 00:19:58,230
degeneration and that's why you need to

509
00:20:04,460 --> 00:20:01,320
increase the strength of your glasses

510
00:20:07,370 --> 00:20:04,470
popplers the diopters yeah you have to

511
00:20:09,500 --> 00:20:07,380
increase the diopters but if your eye is

512
00:20:11,450 --> 00:20:09,510
making that readjustment every time you

513
00:20:14,780 --> 00:20:11,460
get new glasses that's a clue that your

514
00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:14,790
eyes are functioning okay right right

515
00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:16,770
it's the language I don't know to what

516
00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:19,200
extent it's purposely done it certainly

517
00:20:24,410 --> 00:20:21,570
is convenient to create the sense of

518
00:20:26,690 --> 00:20:24,420
helplessness right like this is you

519
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:26,700
you're weak you need our help

520
00:20:31,180 --> 00:20:29,490
you're just broken you're a mess when

521
00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:31,190
you walk into that office I used to get

522
00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:34,080
when I started improving my sytem I said

523
00:20:37,070 --> 00:20:35,250
was really proving and I was really

524
00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:37,080
excited and I was not even super

525
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:39,330
positive about it I would go see if tamo

526
00:20:45,410 --> 00:20:42,090
tourists and okay look at this and I was

527
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:45,420
shocked at how arrogant and rude and

528
00:20:52,190 --> 00:20:48,450
dismissive they were about my definitive

529
00:20:54,380 --> 00:20:52,200
experience and I started having a weird

530
00:20:55,850 --> 00:20:54,390
kind of change in how I was looking at

531
00:20:58,850 --> 00:20:55,860
what they were doing because it was all

532
00:21:00,380 --> 00:20:58,860
very authoritarian right like you're

533
00:21:01,940 --> 00:21:00,390
buying glasses those things wholesale

534
00:21:04,190 --> 00:21:01,950
cost you a pump just two or three

535
00:21:07,730 --> 00:21:04,200
dollars Adel sold for two or three

536
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:07,740
hundred dollars and I think and this is

537
00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:10,170
kind of reaching into that I can't say

538
00:21:15,700 --> 00:21:12,720
that this is true but I kind of feel

539
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:15,710
that that authoritarian

540
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:18,770
attitude that they have helps having

541
00:21:22,180 --> 00:21:21,050
people not questions because it's like

542
00:21:23,950 --> 00:21:22,190
you look at the thing and you're like

543
00:21:26,260 --> 00:21:23,960
it's a piece of plastic like how is this

544
00:21:28,750 --> 00:21:26,270
thing $300 right you know to me

545
00:21:32,130 --> 00:21:28,760
absolutely I see it in many different

546
00:21:34,180 --> 00:21:32,140
sectors it's also this simulated

547
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:34,190
complexity as you say they're just

548
00:21:39,010 --> 00:21:36,320
pieces of plastic that are curved it

549
00:21:42,130 --> 00:21:39,020
really isn't rocket science here but you

550
00:21:44,230 --> 00:21:42,140
create new language that sounds medical

551
00:21:46,150 --> 00:21:44,240
as you mentioned the lobbying to call it

552
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:46,160
a prescription and now we're in this

553
00:21:50,530 --> 00:21:47,930
medical realm it's a whole different

554
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:50,540
ballgame it's it's like the economy or

555
00:21:55,330 --> 00:21:52,730
Wall Street they use a lot of different

556
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:55,340
terms and if you talk to real economists

557
00:21:58,930 --> 00:21:56,810
they're like if you parse through a lot

558
00:22:00,790 --> 00:21:58,940
of that it's much simpler than you'd

559
00:22:03,010 --> 00:22:00,800
expect but they want people to be turned

560
00:22:04,420 --> 00:22:03,020
off from doing the deep dive into

561
00:22:06,670 --> 00:22:04,430
certain things they just want you to

562
00:22:09,060 --> 00:22:06,680
trust the experts and speaking of the

563
00:22:12,070 --> 00:22:09,070
experts if you go to the American

564
00:22:14,140 --> 00:22:12,080
optometry Association website it's gonna

565
00:22:16,120 --> 00:22:14,150
tell you that myopia is genetic it's

566
00:22:18,190 --> 00:22:16,130
gonna say that it's a common myth that

567
00:22:21,340 --> 00:22:18,200
the glasses make the condition worse as

568
00:22:24,430 --> 00:22:21,350
you say they control the narrative so

569
00:22:26,650 --> 00:22:24,440
how do we really combat this okay

570
00:22:29,950 --> 00:22:26,660
they're fascinating I can't believe this

571
00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:29,960
and I'm less into the conspiracies in

572
00:22:35,650 --> 00:22:32,000
general I try not to because my brain

573
00:22:37,660 --> 00:22:35,660
just can't handle it but ophthalmology

574
00:22:41,290 --> 00:22:37,670
clinical journals right like the

575
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:41,300
journals of the profession are what I'm

576
00:22:47,470 --> 00:22:43,850
citing on the website I'm citing their

577
00:22:50,020 --> 00:22:47,480
own studies that they peer review and

578
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:50,030
they publish of this same entity

579
00:22:55,810 --> 00:22:52,730
basically that is saying that myopia is

580
00:22:58,960 --> 00:22:55,820
caused by - lenses and that mucus starts

581
00:23:00,880 --> 00:22:58,970
as pseudo myopia I don't understand how

582
00:23:03,310 --> 00:23:00,890
this is possible right like in most

583
00:23:04,690 --> 00:23:03,320
cases when we're looking for something

584
00:23:06,790 --> 00:23:04,700
that could be conspiracy or could be

585
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:06,800
far-fetched it could be just deception

586
00:23:11,770 --> 00:23:09,200
there's a little more effort put into

587
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:11,780
hiding the truth whereas here it's

588
00:23:16,330 --> 00:23:13,730
literally you go to Google Scholar and

589
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:16,340
you type in lens induced myopia and you

590
00:23:22,420 --> 00:23:19,810
look at who is publishing those studies

591
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:22,430
it's optometry and ophthalmology

592
00:23:26,060 --> 00:23:23,760
journals

593
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:26,070
that is them that's the same people who

594
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:27,810
are then saying oh no this is a myth

595
00:23:32,930 --> 00:23:30,210
we're in your own journals is that it's

596
00:23:35,330 --> 00:23:32,940
not a myth all right yeah it's a funny

597
00:23:37,580 --> 00:23:35,340
thing and I appreciate what you're

598
00:23:40,430 --> 00:23:37,590
saying about general conspiracies a lot

599
00:23:42,530 --> 00:23:40,440
of times they can be vague or hyperbolic

600
00:23:43,850 --> 00:23:42,540
and when it comes to certain things

601
00:23:47,270 --> 00:23:43,860
especially when it comes to people's

602
00:23:48,650 --> 00:23:47,280
health I like to say look let's get into

603
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:48,660
the details let's get into the research

604
00:23:53,180 --> 00:23:50,640
because if the point you're making this

605
00:23:56,420 --> 00:23:53,190
alternative paradigm is true well it

606
00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:56,430
should stand up to questioning it's just

607
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:58,320
it should be in the details that we can

608
00:24:03,260 --> 00:24:00,960
find the truth and that's kind of the

609
00:24:05,060 --> 00:24:03,270
way you present your work you go to the

610
00:24:08,360 --> 00:24:05,070
peer-reviewed papers and the clinical

611
00:24:11,180 --> 00:24:08,370
trials constantly and I think that's the

612
00:24:14,780 --> 00:24:11,190
way to do it I mean this is the standard

613
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:14,790
that they've set up to say this is the

614
00:24:19,700 --> 00:24:17,970
rigorous diligence you need to do to

615
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:19,710
verify something so you can use their

616
00:24:24,740 --> 00:24:22,170
own material against them in a lot of

617
00:24:27,500 --> 00:24:24,750
different areas and this is one now

618
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:27,510
obviously we all know friends and family

619
00:24:32,270 --> 00:24:30,000
who have been lifetime glasses wearers

620
00:24:34,340 --> 00:24:32,280
but they're gonna be skeptical when we

621
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:34,350
try to approach them with this idea that

622
00:24:36,980 --> 00:24:35,850
the eye care industry is lying to them

623
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:36,990
and they can correct their vision

624
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:40,170
problems potentially without the medical

625
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:43,410
system you talk a lot about the evidence

626
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:46,080
and I'm just curious what studies our

627
00:24:50,510 --> 00:24:48,240
research do you find most convincing is

628
00:24:52,370 --> 00:24:50,520
there certain data that you go to first

629
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:52,380
when you know you're getting into it

630
00:24:56,660 --> 00:24:55,050
with someone on the other side well I

631
00:25:00,530 --> 00:24:56,670
try to not argue with people in general

632
00:25:03,050 --> 00:25:00,540
because my focus is I want people who

633
00:25:05,390 --> 00:25:03,060
want answers about the eyesight to find

634
00:25:08,210 --> 00:25:05,400
answers and scepticism is a hundred

635
00:25:10,540 --> 00:25:08,220
percent requirement basically you're on

636
00:25:12,410 --> 00:25:10,550
the internet you need to be skeptical

637
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:12,420
open-minded and skeptical is the best

638
00:25:16,550 --> 00:25:14,730
start so you can look at the research in

639
00:25:18,260 --> 00:25:16,560
general the first thing I like to say

640
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:18,270
though for people who are not sure is

641
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:20,610
pseudo me opioid lens induced me oh you

642
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:22,410
type that into Google Scholar because I

643
00:25:27,410 --> 00:25:24,960
believe lens induced myopia last time I

644
00:25:30,530 --> 00:25:27,420
checked had like 40 or 50,000 search

645
00:25:34,430 --> 00:25:30,540
results that are just clinical quoted

646
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,440
clinical science right that says me Opia

647
00:25:37,850 --> 00:25:36,480
is caused by the lenses

648
00:25:39,500 --> 00:25:37,860
it's one of those things where it's like

649
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:39,510
it's really difficult to argue that

650
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:41,610
that's not at least a very strong

651
00:25:46,850 --> 00:25:45,090
scientific position if not the very much

652
00:25:48,860 --> 00:25:46,860
dominant scientific position when that's

653
00:25:50,930 --> 00:25:48,870
the thing that you find when you look at

654
00:25:53,930 --> 00:25:50,940
it all right like it is caused by the

655
00:25:56,750 --> 00:25:53,940
lenses now the question is the clinical

656
00:25:59,390 --> 00:25:56,760
science says Yoga is caused by your lens

657
00:26:00,169 --> 00:25:59,400
world right and only people say that's

658
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:00,179
not true

659
00:26:05,630 --> 00:26:02,400
other people were selling you two dollar

660
00:26:07,159 --> 00:26:05,640
glasses for $200 those are the only

661
00:26:09,799 --> 00:26:07,169
people who are saying this is not true

662
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:09,809
they have a serious profit motive and on

663
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:11,760
the other side you have a huge pile of

664
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:13,890
easily accessible clinical science that

665
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:17,610
says it is the lenses it's kind of a

666
00:26:20,299 --> 00:26:18,960
simple thing if you look at it that way

667
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:20,309
you got the guy who's making a five

668
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:22,320
thousand percent markup saying you know

669
00:26:27,049 --> 00:26:25,200
no it's not my lenses and everybody

670
00:26:31,500 --> 00:26:27,059
who's not involved in making that money

671
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:32,940
that's a starting point but the thing

672
00:26:36,450 --> 00:26:34,450
that I really like because assigns to me

673
00:26:38,730 --> 00:26:36,460
came second is if you start measuring

674
00:26:40,980 --> 00:26:38,740
your eyesight you start realizing how

675
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:40,990
simple it is because myopia the

676
00:26:45,030 --> 00:26:42,880
complicated thing that they do if the

677
00:26:46,860 --> 00:26:45,040
optometrist is just how far can you see

678
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:46,870
before it gets blurry that's all it is

679
00:26:50,970 --> 00:26:49,330
all the auto refractor and the machines

680
00:26:53,310 --> 00:26:50,980
in the lab coat and the darkroom and all

681
00:26:55,020 --> 00:26:53,320
that stuff it's just how far can you see

682
00:26:57,150 --> 00:26:55,030
before there's blood that's all it is

683
00:26:58,980 --> 00:26:57,160
and you can do that at home you can do

684
00:27:00,360 --> 00:26:58,990
that with a measuring tape in two

685
00:27:02,340 --> 00:27:00,370
minutes you can figure out your own

686
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:02,350
diopters and you could order those

687
00:27:06,210 --> 00:27:04,570
things online by yourself and that's

688
00:27:07,980 --> 00:27:06,220
kind of where I think it starts off for

689
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:07,990
people like if you measure yourself and

690
00:27:10,980 --> 00:27:10,090
you realize hey I don't need somebody to

691
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:10,990
do this for me

692
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:12,730
then you get curious because then you

693
00:27:16,620 --> 00:27:14,170
can measure a different light right like

694
00:27:18,060 --> 00:27:16,630
you can measure in natural outdoor light

695
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:18,070
and your distance version all of a

696
00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:19,600
sudden is better right you can see

697
00:27:23,580 --> 00:27:21,910
further it can measure further if you're

698
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:23,590
in a darker room you don't see as far

699
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:25,090
and once you start like the self

700
00:27:30,090 --> 00:27:26,650
experimenting how much your vision

701
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:30,100
berries you end up asking more questions

702
00:27:34,050 --> 00:27:31,600
and you end up trying more stuff and you

703
00:27:37,010 --> 00:27:34,060
end up realizing in a matter of weeks

704
00:27:39,450 --> 00:27:37,020
you can noticeably improve your eyesight

705
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:39,460
right and that's what I wanted to get to

706
00:27:43,050 --> 00:27:41,650
next so if we were gonna kind of section

707
00:27:46,650 --> 00:27:43,060
this out a bit we've pretty much

708
00:27:49,470 --> 00:27:46,660
hammered home the idea that the lenses

709
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:49,480
make the situation worse and the

710
00:27:53,550 --> 00:27:51,250
industry obviously has an incentive to

711
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:53,560
sell more glasses but then this other

712
00:27:59,550 --> 00:27:56,320
side of it is that we can actually self

713
00:28:02,580 --> 00:27:59,560
correct our vision at home no tools

714
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:02,590
really required and that's obviously a

715
00:28:08,550 --> 00:28:05,890
whole separate thing what data would you

716
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:08,560
give to people or should they look at to

717
00:28:14,430 --> 00:28:11,410
bring them on board with this idea that

718
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:14,440
you can self correct with I don't know

719
00:28:20,820 --> 00:28:17,410
if practice is the right word but with

720
00:28:22,170 --> 00:28:20,830
attention okay so your eyes are not

721
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:22,180
getting worse right your eyes are

722
00:28:24,550 --> 00:28:23,690
adopting

723
00:28:26,290 --> 00:28:24,560
there's two things that are happening

724
00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:26,300
one you're straining your eyes is too

725
00:28:29,740 --> 00:28:28,130
much closed up which is the thing people

726
00:28:33,010 --> 00:28:29,750
don't like to hear because we all have a

727
00:28:34,690 --> 00:28:33,020
bit of a screen addiction so the strain

728
00:28:36,250 --> 00:28:34,700
that's keeping your facility muscle

729
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:36,260
locked up is one issue and you can

730
00:28:40,570 --> 00:28:38,480
address step for example by using your

731
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:40,580
phone less and moving more of your

732
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:42,290
clothes up to like a laptop distance

733
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:45,290
just as a simple example if you remember

734
00:28:48,430 --> 00:28:46,880
the ciliary muscle is the closer you

735
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:48,440
look at something the tighter it gets so

736
00:28:51,850 --> 00:28:50,000
if you're holding a phone you're holding

737
00:28:53,650 --> 00:28:51,860
it much closer than you would be sitting

738
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:53,660
in front of a laptop so for example if

739
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:55,520
you moved some of your clothes sometimes

740
00:29:00,520 --> 00:28:57,650
your laptop you're reducing the ciliary

741
00:29:02,530 --> 00:29:00,530
straight right another example is if

742
00:29:05,260 --> 00:29:02,540
you're using distance glasses for close

743
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:05,270
up which is causing most of your me

744
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:07,760
opieop progression like the glasses that

745
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:09,530
are made for distance vision and now you

746
00:29:12,820 --> 00:29:11,360
sit in front of a computer that's sixty

747
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:12,830
centimeters away from you that's not

748
00:29:17,950 --> 00:29:15,370
what they're intended for so he reduce

749
00:29:20,410 --> 00:29:17,960
how much diopter you're using for close

750
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:20,420
up those two things alone will have a

751
00:29:24,490 --> 00:29:22,250
noticeable impact that you can see in a

752
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:24,500
matter of weeks and I think that the

753
00:29:28,510 --> 00:29:26,690
theory when people argue with me like oh

754
00:29:30,550 --> 00:29:28,520
this and the science that lets this

755
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:30,560
study in that study I'm like okay are

756
00:29:34,060 --> 00:29:32,000
you doing this because we want to have a

757
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:34,070
debate or are you actually wanting to

758
00:29:38,770 --> 00:29:36,890
reduce how it dependent you are on those

759
00:29:40,900 --> 00:29:38,780
classes and if you want to make that

760
00:29:42,490 --> 00:29:40,910
reduction you look at the signs and you

761
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:42,500
see okay there is enough evidence there

762
00:29:47,860 --> 00:29:46,130
that the eye is not defective and it's

763
00:29:49,570 --> 00:29:47,870
simply adjusted right like there's

764
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:49,580
enough biological evidence that you go

765
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:51,890
okay so this is probably the case and

766
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:54,080
there's enough biological evidence that

767
00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:56,570
says okay my close-up is bad for me it's

768
00:30:01,180 --> 00:29:58,640
straining my eye and the lenses are

769
00:30:03,940 --> 00:30:01,190
causing my eye to elongate so it's

770
00:30:06,010 --> 00:30:03,950
reasonable to say if I reduce the strain

771
00:30:08,770 --> 00:30:06,020
and if I reduce the impact of those

772
00:30:10,930 --> 00:30:08,780
lenses and if my eyes indeed our despair

773
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:10,940
illogical thing that are just I should

774
00:30:15,070 --> 00:30:13,370
see change right so if you genuinely

775
00:30:16,660 --> 00:30:15,080
care if you're not just having this

776
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:16,670
argument for the sake of an argument

777
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:19,010
then you should be able to take this

778
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:21,650
theory that's pretty solid and try it

779
00:30:25,300 --> 00:30:23,600
out I'd like actually go okay so I'm

780
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:25,310
gonna use less I'm gonna get away from

781
00:30:30,130 --> 00:30:27,170
the phone a bit more I'm gonna measure

782
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:30,140
my eyesight I'm gonna reduce my adoptive

783
00:30:33,940 --> 00:30:32,240
dependence when I'm in close-up and I'm

784
00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:33,950
gonna measure and see if that makes any

785
00:30:38,180 --> 00:30:36,809
difference in a matter of a few weeks

786
00:30:40,580 --> 00:30:38,190
and if you see improvement then it's

787
00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:40,590
like okay that's not a definitive this

788
00:30:44,690 --> 00:30:43,289
must be working but it's a strong enough

789
00:30:47,779 --> 00:30:44,700
clue to what you might be tempted right

790
00:30:50,119 --> 00:30:47,789
on right on so on the subject of

791
00:30:51,919 --> 00:30:50,129
improvement let's break that down a bit

792
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:51,929
more for people because you say we

793
00:30:56,060 --> 00:30:53,970
shouldn't just throw off our glasses and

794
00:30:58,879 --> 00:30:56,070
start our new life it is a bit of a

795
00:31:01,220 --> 00:30:58,889
gradual process what are some of those

796
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:01,230
first steps for people who do want to

797
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:03,090
actually test the waters and give this

798
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:06,690
self repair thing a shot so the very

799
00:31:10,460 --> 00:31:08,970
first thing is that wearing those

800
00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:10,470
distance glasses doing close up is

801
00:31:16,249 --> 00:31:14,369
terrible your eyes are just too focal

802
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:16,259
plates right like the closer you look

803
00:31:21,049 --> 00:31:18,330
there's that movable lens and either

804
00:31:23,389 --> 00:31:21,059
continues adjusting what the glasses are

805
00:31:26,060 --> 00:31:23,399
a fixed focal point they're our

806
00:31:28,399 --> 00:31:26,070
sixteenth century technology they are

807
00:31:31,549 --> 00:31:28,409
incredibly unsophisticated they only

808
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:31,559
work for one distance they only work for

809
00:31:35,710 --> 00:31:33,600
it where you can't see clearly at a

810
00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:35,720
distance so when you put those things on

811
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:37,710
they're meant to correct distance vision

812
00:31:40,669 --> 00:31:39,210
now when you sit in front of a computer

813
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:40,679
the reason your eyes got worse in the

814
00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:42,809
first place if you get into the detail

815
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:45,480
it's a thing called hyper optic to focus

816
00:31:47,419 --> 00:31:47,039
you can also look that up on Google

817
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:47,429
Scholar

818
00:31:51,919 --> 00:31:49,529
it's where the lenses move the light

819
00:31:54,019 --> 00:31:51,929
further back into the eye because you're

820
00:31:56,029 --> 00:31:54,029
using the glasses and a closer distance

821
00:31:58,100 --> 00:31:56,039
and you should and that's the main

822
00:32:01,340 --> 00:31:58,110
stimulus that continues the eye

823
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:01,350
elongated so the first thing to do is

824
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:03,570
basically get weaker glasses for

825
00:32:07,289 --> 00:32:05,049
close-up

826
00:32:08,700 --> 00:32:07,299
like about a one doctor to

827
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:08,710
one-and-a-half doctors less and

828
00:32:12,899 --> 00:32:10,450
fortunately now you can just buy glasses

829
00:32:14,249 --> 00:32:12,909
online and I'm not giving you doubt

830
00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:14,259
they're recommendations I'm not making

831
00:32:19,529 --> 00:32:16,720
medical recommendations here I'm just

832
00:32:21,419 --> 00:32:19,539
saying hypothetically speaking you would

833
00:32:22,859 --> 00:32:21,429
reduce the risk of hyper optic to focus

834
00:32:25,710 --> 00:32:22,869
if you're wearing glasses that we're

835
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:25,720
about one to one and a half doctors less

836
00:32:31,379 --> 00:32:28,690
strong for your clothes if in a matter

837
00:32:32,940 --> 00:32:31,389
of a week or two of doing that if you

838
00:32:35,970 --> 00:32:32,950
never wear the distance classes for

839
00:32:37,769 --> 00:32:35,980
close up again if you put them on and

840
00:32:39,479 --> 00:32:37,779
look at something up close you're gonna

841
00:32:41,460 --> 00:32:39,489
start feeling dizzy and get headaches

842
00:32:43,139 --> 00:32:41,470
and feel quite uncomfortable because

843
00:32:45,299 --> 00:32:43,149
your eye will have really adjusted to

844
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:45,309
not have that over correction for close

845
00:32:50,820 --> 00:32:48,159
ups the main first step is not weighing

846
00:32:53,070 --> 00:32:50,830
just as kloster closer makes sense I

847
00:32:54,659 --> 00:32:53,080
mean practically speaking you put on a

848
00:32:57,210 --> 00:32:54,669
pair of glasses and you're basically

849
00:32:59,369 --> 00:32:57,220
wearing them for everything but that

850
00:33:02,009 --> 00:32:59,379
probably isn't best for our eyes it's

851
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:02,019
not necessarily natural and you talk

852
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:04,450
about the Snellen test in a few years

853
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:07,330
which is this I charted everyone is seen

854
00:33:11,759 --> 00:33:10,450
and testing protocols are always

855
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:11,769
interesting to me many of them are

856
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:14,080
deceptive many of them are skewed to

857
00:33:20,940 --> 00:33:19,330
give more false positives or require you

858
00:33:23,129 --> 00:33:20,950
know more assistance from whoever's

859
00:33:25,379 --> 00:33:23,139
administering the test then you really

860
00:33:27,570 --> 00:33:25,389
need one example is a big scandal and

861
00:33:29,940 --> 00:33:27,580
prostate cancer the test screens your

862
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:29,950
PSA levels and now there's a lot of

863
00:33:33,239 --> 00:33:31,570
science saying those antigens are

864
00:33:36,090 --> 00:33:33,249
natural and they go up and they go down

865
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:36,100
as they do yet thousands of men got

866
00:33:40,649 --> 00:33:38,320
tested at the wrong time when the levels

867
00:33:42,330 --> 00:33:40,659
happen to be high and they got a surgery

868
00:33:44,489 --> 00:33:42,340
based on that now there's a lot of

869
00:33:47,639 --> 00:33:44,499
science that says maybe there was a lot

870
00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:47,649
of false positives or we roped in way

871
00:33:53,129 --> 00:33:50,049
more people than really were necessary

872
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:53,139
and I'm curious about the protocols when

873
00:33:57,629 --> 00:33:55,090
you go into an optometrist is there a

874
00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:57,639
lot of overdiagnosis baked into just how

875
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:00,399
we test the eyes at a base level with

876
00:34:05,820 --> 00:34:03,970
this Snellen test in particular okay so

877
00:34:08,099 --> 00:34:05,830
I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt

878
00:34:09,980 --> 00:34:08,109
and since I have a lot of Amish friends

879
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:09,990
I say they don't have any bad intentions

880
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:13,569
so what happens in that test is they

881
00:34:18,700 --> 00:34:15,770
usually they put you in a dark room

882
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:18,710
and the chart is illuminated by some

883
00:34:25,300 --> 00:34:22,370
kind of crappy artificial light and then

884
00:34:27,100 --> 00:34:25,310
they they put different lenses in front

885
00:34:29,590 --> 00:34:27,110
of the eyes just to see which lenses you

886
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:29,600
see most clearly with and this is

887
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:32,240
simulating the worst possible case

888
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:34,970
scenario because in any kind of dark

889
00:34:39,070 --> 00:34:36,770
environment you see less clearly to

890
00:34:41,110 --> 00:34:39,080
begin with right that single point of

891
00:34:43,090 --> 00:34:41,120
your illumination I mean that's

892
00:34:45,700 --> 00:34:43,100
basically like you're driving a car so

893
00:34:48,580 --> 00:34:45,710
it is relevant right but then on top of

894
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:48,590
it they don't tell you you might be at

895
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:50,690
minus three dollars but then they put in

896
00:34:54,850 --> 00:34:52,490
minus three point two five like they

897
00:34:56,889 --> 00:34:54,860
dial it up one more notch and ask you if

898
00:34:58,930 --> 00:34:56,899
it's any clearer and if it is any

899
00:35:01,780 --> 00:34:58,940
clearer even though it's unnaturally

900
00:35:03,130 --> 00:35:01,790
clear I call it Anson space vision it's

901
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:03,140
just like wow that's totally unnecessary

902
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:05,930
and then I'll dial it up to three point

903
00:35:10,060 --> 00:35:07,610
five they're like is that still clear

904
00:35:12,130 --> 00:35:10,070
and I don't think they're doing it out

905
00:35:14,140 --> 00:35:12,140
of any malevolence intent

906
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:14,150
they're just trying to give you the best

907
00:35:17,470 --> 00:35:15,410
possible correction and doing what

908
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:17,480
they're learning in school but what you

909
00:35:23,290 --> 00:35:20,000
walk out with is a pair of lenses that

910
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:23,300
are correcting your eyesight to driving

911
00:35:27,550 --> 00:35:25,610
in a blazer that night whereas you're

912
00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:27,560
probably in the middle of the day right

913
00:35:31,540 --> 00:35:29,510
sitting your office looking at your

914
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:31,550
laptop screen that's like at an arm's

915
00:35:37,420 --> 00:35:34,610
length away from so in that moment

916
00:35:38,860 --> 00:35:37,430
you're seriously over corrected and when

917
00:35:41,070 --> 00:35:38,870
you look at the website and you see I

918
00:35:43,300 --> 00:35:41,080
have got so many improvement reports and

919
00:35:45,940 --> 00:35:43,310
initially usually the improvements are

920
00:35:47,350 --> 00:35:45,950
pretty dramatic in the first 90 days you

921
00:35:49,750 --> 00:35:47,360
might improve a hold out there which is

922
00:35:52,060 --> 00:35:49,760
four reductions basically and I always

923
00:35:53,980 --> 00:35:52,070
say that's not really real improvement

924
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:53,990
necessarily that's just getting rid of

925
00:35:58,210 --> 00:35:56,210
the over correction so basically to

926
00:36:00,220 --> 00:35:58,220
answer your question is they probably

927
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:00,230
don't have bad intentions but when you

928
00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:02,210
go to an optometrist adopters you get a

929
00:36:07,930 --> 00:36:04,960
probably an unnatural amount of courage

930
00:36:10,060 --> 00:36:07,940
yeah fair to say it is good to be

931
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:10,070
precise with this sort of stuff and what

932
00:36:15,550 --> 00:36:13,040
you're saying makes sense maybe start

933
00:36:17,950 --> 00:36:15,560
with a less-is-more mindset rather than

934
00:36:21,130 --> 00:36:17,960
getting over corrected and it's also

935
00:36:22,510 --> 00:36:21,140
true that most employees or automata are

936
00:36:24,850 --> 00:36:22,520
just doing what they've been trained to

937
00:36:26,380 --> 00:36:24,860
do they trust the experts like everyone

938
00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:26,390
else and there's no other way to even

939
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:28,910
get that almighty certification anyway

940
00:36:32,380 --> 00:36:30,170
so it

941
00:36:34,509 --> 00:36:32,390
there's anything nefarious going on it's

942
00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:34,519
with the standards and the protocols and

943
00:36:39,819 --> 00:36:37,250
the testing setup at the top of the

944
00:36:42,700 --> 00:36:39,829
monopoly pyramid where it's all about

945
00:36:44,799 --> 00:36:42,710
revenue as we've said several times but

946
00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:44,809
going back to the steps so for someone

947
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:47,119
who is ready to take the leap step one

948
00:36:52,210 --> 00:36:49,130
don't wear your distance glasses for

949
00:36:53,799 --> 00:36:52,220
close-up maybe even sit down and do your

950
00:36:56,980 --> 00:36:53,809
own measurements and make sure you're

951
00:36:58,509 --> 00:36:56,990
not grossly overcorrecting already but

952
00:37:01,779 --> 00:36:58,519
rather than taking them off entirely

953
00:37:04,569 --> 00:37:01,789
maybe work backwards through weaker

954
00:37:06,009 --> 00:37:04,579
prescriptions similarly to how they gave

955
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:06,019
them to you is that how we should be

956
00:37:09,860 --> 00:37:07,530
thinking

957
00:37:11,540 --> 00:37:09,870
yeah just a little bit lower like

958
00:37:13,490 --> 00:37:11,550
instead of seeing you can print out an

959
00:37:15,350 --> 00:37:13,500
eye chart you can get I torts you free

960
00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:15,360
online or just buy the cheap a chart and

961
00:37:19,130 --> 00:37:17,250
hang it up in your house and measure the

962
00:37:21,950 --> 00:37:19,140
distance to stand from the head chart

963
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:21,960
and see how you see my eye chart like

964
00:37:26,660 --> 00:37:24,810
twenty thirty five your legal to drive

965
00:37:28,010 --> 00:37:26,670
with twenty forty in most places you

966
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:28,020
don't want to see it better than that

967
00:37:31,370 --> 00:37:30,210
like you want to be safe but twenty

968
00:37:33,110 --> 00:37:31,380
thirty will still give you a little bit

969
00:37:35,540 --> 00:37:33,120
of a challenge and the main thing about

970
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:35,550
improving your eyesight is a little bit

971
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:37,290
of challenge people make the mistake

972
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:39,090
that listen to this crazy Bates Method

973
00:37:43,070 --> 00:37:41,130
internet exercise stuff and they just

974
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:43,080
throw away their glasses but you can't

975
00:37:47,780 --> 00:37:46,290
do but you can slowly dial it back the

976
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:47,790
same way um you'll get increased over

977
00:37:51,350 --> 00:37:49,200
time or your glasses correction

978
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:51,360
increased over time you can also slowly

979
00:37:56,540 --> 00:37:54,240
decrease it and I say usually for people

980
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:56,550
that are doing it right every three to

981
00:38:02,510 --> 00:37:58,170
four months you can generally make a

982
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:02,520
reduction there and to elaborate on the

983
00:38:06,350 --> 00:38:04,410
science of the data that says you can

984
00:38:08,450 --> 00:38:06,360
correct this problem without the medical

985
00:38:10,730 --> 00:38:08,460
system because that is so crucial to the

986
00:38:12,740 --> 00:38:10,740
overall argument there are a lot of

987
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:12,750
claims out there I'm sure some are too

988
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:14,640
good to be true but what is the

989
00:38:19,010 --> 00:38:17,040
realistic real deal what sort of work

990
00:38:21,740 --> 00:38:19,020
are we looking at how long is the

991
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:21,750
process what sort of results are

992
00:38:27,110 --> 00:38:24,240
realistic

993
00:38:28,730 --> 00:38:27,120
so anybody who says yeah get your

994
00:38:30,830 --> 00:38:28,740
eyesight back in a weekend

995
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:30,840
30 days the perfect vision that is

996
00:38:36,050 --> 00:38:34,320
highly impossible because your eyesight

997
00:38:38,660 --> 00:38:36,060
is worse because the actual length of

998
00:38:40,820 --> 00:38:38,670
the eyeball has increased it's about one

999
00:38:44,090 --> 00:38:40,830
millimeter of axial length increase for

1000
00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:44,100
every 3d optics and that takes a notable

1001
00:38:49,420 --> 00:38:46,110
amount of time for the axial length to

1002
00:38:52,910 --> 00:38:49,430
decrease that much so it's impossible to

1003
00:38:54,460 --> 00:38:52,920
reverse multiple adapters of myopia in a

1004
00:38:57,530 --> 00:38:54,470
really short period time it's just it is

1005
00:39:00,410 --> 00:38:57,540
biologically impossible when people ask

1006
00:39:03,710 --> 00:39:00,420
me like how fast can I do it resetting

1007
00:39:08,300 --> 00:39:03,720
expectations to look at habit changes

1008
00:39:09,860 --> 00:39:08,310
and living a more realistic lifestyle

1009
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:09,870
when it comes to protecting your

1010
00:39:14,270 --> 00:39:11,610
eyesight it's almost like diet right if

1011
00:39:17,150 --> 00:39:14,280
you want to lose 50 pounds this is not

1012
00:39:18,500 --> 00:39:17,160
about just losing 50 pounds and then

1013
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:18,510
what right because you want to address

1014
00:39:22,820 --> 00:39:20,400
your diet in a way that you lose the 50

1015
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:22,830
pounds and then you're still happy after

1016
00:39:29,090 --> 00:39:25,170
you've done so you can probably reduce

1017
00:39:30,500 --> 00:39:29,100
by adopt a year realistically and for a

1018
00:39:34,190 --> 00:39:30,510
lot of people that means three four or

1019
00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:34,200
five ten years but it's not really about

1020
00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:35,730
that process because the process is at

1021
00:39:39,500 --> 00:39:37,710
one time learning how to change habits

1022
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:39,510
and once you've done it it's just kind

1023
00:39:43,490 --> 00:39:42,240
of autopilot but from there you're kind

1024
00:39:45,020 --> 00:39:43,500
of working on okay how much of my life

1025
00:39:47,330 --> 00:39:45,030
am i spending sitting in front of a

1026
00:39:49,940 --> 00:39:47,340
screen versus doing something meaningful

1027
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:49,950
or how much what my life is wasted and

1028
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:53,280
my myopia is just a symptom of the

1029
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:55,530
larger problem it I kind of don't want

1030
00:39:58,670 --> 00:39:57,090
to get too far into that in general with

1031
00:40:00,680 --> 00:39:58,680
people because I'm not their lifestyle

1032
00:40:02,510 --> 00:40:00,690
coach but it really becomes one of those

1033
00:40:04,070 --> 00:40:02,520
things where the ice that will continue

1034
00:40:07,010 --> 00:40:04,080
improving but right now you just have to

1035
00:40:09,020 --> 00:40:07,020
think about you put yourself in a

1036
00:40:12,530 --> 00:40:09,030
not-so-great place and you want to get

1037
00:40:14,900 --> 00:40:12,540
out of it mm-hmm and as you say in your

1038
00:40:17,150 --> 00:40:14,910
starter video a lot of people just say

1039
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:17,160
give me the steps and of course we

1040
00:40:21,350 --> 00:40:19,050
wanted to make sure we talked about the

1041
00:40:23,660 --> 00:40:21,360
proper context to understand myopia

1042
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:23,670
itself but let me ask you about the

1043
00:40:27,860 --> 00:40:25,890
steps I'm sure it sounded a little vague

1044
00:40:29,570 --> 00:40:27,870
to people and we talked about how you

1045
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:29,580
get started you address your screen

1046
00:40:34,070 --> 00:40:32,370
addiction reduce your close-up strain in

1047
00:40:36,650 --> 00:40:34,080
general don't wear those distance

1048
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:36,660
glasses close up maybe read further away

1049
00:40:39,570 --> 00:40:37,690
measure

1050
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:39,580
your eyesight and of course this is a

1051
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:42,250
long process so it's useful to keep a

1052
00:40:47,130 --> 00:40:45,490
log so you aren't being vague about if

1053
00:40:49,410 --> 00:40:47,140
you're making progress or not you don't

1054
00:40:52,050 --> 00:40:49,420
have to guess look at the stuff you

1055
00:40:54,660 --> 00:40:52,060
write down but then you say the next

1056
00:40:58,860 --> 00:40:54,670
step is learning active focus what is

1057
00:41:01,380 --> 00:40:58,870
active focus so what I sort of touched

1058
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:01,390
on a little bit earlier is the idea of

1059
00:41:06,060 --> 00:41:03,850
challenging your eyesight if you're

1060
00:41:08,070 --> 00:41:06,070
wearing 20 glasses that correct you to

1061
00:41:09,180 --> 00:41:08,080
2015 like you put on your glasses and

1062
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:09,190
you look at the eye chart and you can

1063
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:12,400
see the smallest line on the thing you

1064
00:41:15,900 --> 00:41:13,450
can never challenge your eyesight

1065
00:41:17,940 --> 00:41:15,910
because it's just too awesome right or

1066
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:17,950
apparently awesome with the glasses but

1067
00:41:21,300 --> 00:41:19,690
if you go to like 2030 that's a much

1068
00:41:23,580 --> 00:41:21,310
bigger line that means you can't really

1069
00:41:26,010 --> 00:41:23,590
read the smaller lines at least not

1070
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:26,020
easily the idea being that if you go

1071
00:41:29,820 --> 00:41:27,520
outside you can recognize your friends

1072
00:41:32,580 --> 00:41:29,830
you can drive safely everything's fine

1073
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:32,590
but if you see that license plate down

1074
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:34,480
the street if you see that street sign

1075
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:37,690
and you just can't quite read it you can

1076
00:41:41,700 --> 00:41:40,330
blink at it and it will clear up but

1077
00:41:43,350 --> 00:41:41,710
this is kind of one of those things but

1078
00:41:44,490 --> 00:41:43,360
it takes people a little bit of time to

1079
00:41:47,970 --> 00:41:44,500
discover it's something that you have

1080
00:41:49,380 --> 00:41:47,980
naturally if you don't wear glasses even

1081
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:49,390
if you don't need glasses nobody's

1082
00:41:53,490 --> 00:41:51,280
vision is perfect or at least most

1083
00:41:55,170 --> 00:41:53,500
people's vision isn't perfect like in a

1084
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:55,180
low light situation or something's far

1085
00:42:01,020 --> 00:41:57,130
enough away you kind of have to blink at

1086
00:42:02,990 --> 00:42:01,030
it and I refocuses there's always that a

1087
00:42:05,550 --> 00:42:03,000
little bit of wiggle room for the eye to

1088
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:05,560
increase the focus if you've been

1089
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:07,090
wearing really over create a glass for a

1090
00:42:10,830 --> 00:42:08,560
long period of time you forget about

1091
00:42:12,510 --> 00:42:10,840
that ability but once you find it again

1092
00:42:14,850 --> 00:42:12,520
you go outside your wine glasses it if

1093
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:14,860
you like 2030 vision this car cross

1094
00:42:18,510 --> 00:42:16,210
street there's a license plate and

1095
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:18,520
you're like man is that an A or an F I

1096
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:20,530
can't tell you blink at it and it just

1097
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:22,530
kind of realigns and you see it's an a

1098
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:26,530
that activity making that into a habit

1099
00:42:30,090 --> 00:42:28,450
wearing glasses that give you only

1100
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:30,100
enough correction to wear that becomes

1101
00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:33,610
an easy habit to get into that is the

1102
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:35,910
main stimulus that improves your eyes

1103
00:42:40,830 --> 00:42:38,800
man and this is kind of a difficult one

1104
00:42:43,230 --> 00:42:40,840
because as you say a good analogy for

1105
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:43,240
active focus is people who can raise one

1106
00:42:48,300 --> 00:42:45,760
eyebrow if you can do it it's very easy

1107
00:42:51,150 --> 00:42:48,310
but try to explain how you do it to

1108
00:42:54,350 --> 00:42:51,160
someone who can't and that's not

1109
00:42:57,570 --> 00:42:54,360
as easy of a thing to do have you found

1110
00:42:59,550 --> 00:42:57,580
the right language overtime to tell

1111
00:43:01,620 --> 00:42:59,560
people how to do it if they're confused

1112
00:43:04,980 --> 00:43:01,630
if they're just not feeling that it's

1113
00:43:07,260 --> 00:43:04,990
working for them I've got a page on the

1114
00:43:08,700 --> 00:43:07,270
side that has a bunch of links in a

1115
00:43:11,700 --> 00:43:08,710
bunch of ways where other people

1116
00:43:15,470 --> 00:43:11,710
describe their active focus experience

1117
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:15,480
of how they found it because there is no

1118
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:18,640
exact language to describe that ability

1119
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:21,730
it takes people a little bit of trial

1120
00:43:25,650 --> 00:43:23,650
and error and hearing in different ways

1121
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:25,660
I think most people are figuring it out

1122
00:43:30,300 --> 00:43:27,970
the amount of confusion over the years

1123
00:43:31,740 --> 00:43:30,310
is lessened greatly and I think it's in

1124
00:43:33,540 --> 00:43:31,750
part because it's not just me trying to

1125
00:43:36,060 --> 00:43:33,550
explain it you have a bunch of different

1126
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:36,070
people that heard me explain it and then

1127
00:43:39,870 --> 00:43:38,170
it couldn't connect the dots but one

1128
00:43:41,540 --> 00:43:39,880
time they looked at something and bam it

1129
00:43:44,190 --> 00:43:41,550
cleared up and they remember what

1130
00:43:45,630 --> 00:43:44,200
context it was in and then they write it

1131
00:43:47,070 --> 00:43:45,640
down or they explain it there's some

1132
00:43:51,210 --> 00:43:47,080
videos from others who have done this

1133
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:51,220
and then somewhere in that library of

1134
00:43:54,510 --> 00:43:52,810
experiences there's something that'll

1135
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:54,520
give you that aha moment and it's really

1136
00:43:58,010 --> 00:43:56,170
not that difficult it's just once you do

1137
00:44:00,300 --> 00:43:58,020
it you're like well that was easy

1138
00:44:02,190 --> 00:44:00,310
because it's just like a light link and

1139
00:44:03,780 --> 00:44:02,200
it's just every time you blink you close

1140
00:44:05,970 --> 00:44:03,790
your eyes when you open it again your

1141
00:44:08,460 --> 00:44:05,980
eyes to read focus alright so when you

1142
00:44:09,780 --> 00:44:08,470
look at the thing and you close your eye

1143
00:44:11,550 --> 00:44:09,790
you reopen your eye and you're looking

1144
00:44:13,290 --> 00:44:11,560
at the same thing again the eyes trying

1145
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:13,300
to focus at it again and if it want to

1146
00:44:18,810 --> 00:44:14,560
blur in the first place

1147
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:18,820
most times it'll just clear mmhmm yeah

1148
00:44:23,130 --> 00:44:20,290
it's a curious thing maybe I've been

1149
00:44:26,580 --> 00:44:23,140
doing it and not even knowing it you

1150
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:26,590
know I had a Jacob Lieberman dr. Jacob

1151
00:44:30,450 --> 00:44:28,690
Lieberman here not long ago who his

1152
00:44:34,110 --> 00:44:30,460
expertise is really red light therapy

1153
00:44:36,530 --> 00:44:34,120
and light but he kind of discovered this

1154
00:44:39,660 --> 00:44:36,540
on his own with his own eyesight and

1155
00:44:41,490 --> 00:44:39,670
when we talked it was more that that he

1156
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:41,500
wanted to discuss and he basically just

1157
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:44,410
kept saying you will it you just will it

1158
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:46,690
it and I mean that's the only way he

1159
00:44:49,290 --> 00:44:47,920
could express it and I've heard other

1160
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:49,300
people say that too and that might be

1161
00:44:53,700 --> 00:44:51,970
fair you're doing it you're absolutely

1162
00:44:55,110 --> 00:44:53,710
doing it you're not even realizing that

1163
00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:55,120
you're doing it because you never had

1164
00:44:59,040 --> 00:44:57,040
eyesight problems you said your eyesight

1165
00:45:01,380 --> 00:44:59,050
is fine the eyesight isn't perfect

1166
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:01,390
because like low light conditions or

1167
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:03,370
artificial light conditions or if you

1168
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,810
haven't slept well you

1169
00:45:08,580 --> 00:45:06,640
already too much or smoke too much or

1170
00:45:10,350 --> 00:45:08,590
you you've been eating a giant pizza

1171
00:45:12,780 --> 00:45:10,360
there will be situations where your

1172
00:45:14,190 --> 00:45:12,790
eyesight is affected but you don't even

1173
00:45:16,740 --> 00:45:14,200
realize it because you have this

1174
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:16,750
mechanism already programmed in and

1175
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:18,130
you're not even consciously thinking

1176
00:45:22,050 --> 00:45:20,170
about it but being that you're aware of

1177
00:45:23,820 --> 00:45:22,060
it I'm sure you were going to catch a

1178
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:23,830
moment when you're sitting somewhere and

1179
00:45:29,310 --> 00:45:27,130
like a movie has subtitles or the

1180
00:45:30,540 --> 00:45:29,320
barista menu or there's something where

1181
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:30,550
you just blink at it and you're like out

1182
00:45:34,130 --> 00:45:32,170
there it is and then you'll realize that

1183
00:45:37,170 --> 00:45:34,140
you've been doing it all along

1184
00:45:39,060 --> 00:45:37,180
right on yeah I got 99 problems but my

1185
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:39,070
eyes aren't one I've been a blinking

1186
00:45:43,050 --> 00:45:40,810
it's tough all week trying to play with

1187
00:45:43,650 --> 00:45:43,060
this now that you know it's been on my

1188
00:45:46,530 --> 00:45:43,660
mind

1189
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:46,540
I guess I would ask how you discovered

1190
00:45:50,940 --> 00:45:48,160
this because obviously your website

1191
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:50,950
wasn't there to lay out the breadcrumbs

1192
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:52,930
and the template for you this had to be

1193
00:45:58,560 --> 00:45:55,690
a lot of trial and error clearly you had

1194
00:46:00,810 --> 00:45:58,570
an issue with it but I guess why weren't

1195
00:46:03,990 --> 00:46:00,820
glasses enough for you why even go down

1196
00:46:06,450 --> 00:46:04,000
this rabbit hole uh this is not a

1197
00:46:08,970 --> 00:46:06,460
brilliant story is purely just vanity I

1198
00:46:10,380 --> 00:46:08,980
kind of mentioned this in the beginning

1199
00:46:12,210 --> 00:46:10,390
I was a single dude and I was wearing

1200
00:46:14,460 --> 00:46:12,220
these glasses that my eyes were tiny

1201
00:46:15,930 --> 00:46:14,470
behind the strongly glasses they're

1202
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:15,940
smaller things look behind it

1203
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:18,010
I had like little tiny pig eyes as a

1204
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:19,510
single dude and then they told me I

1205
00:46:24,270 --> 00:46:21,130
needed even stronger ones oh it's just

1206
00:46:27,180 --> 00:46:24,280
like this is enough of this and because

1207
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:27,190
of my profession I'm a stock trader my

1208
00:46:32,250 --> 00:46:30,130
brain always goes to I don't believe

1209
00:46:34,620 --> 00:46:32,260
what I hear the hype is always just hype

1210
00:46:37,020 --> 00:46:34,630
let's look at the facts it just turned

1211
00:46:39,150 --> 00:46:37,030
into a research project and as soon as I

1212
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:39,160
started researching it almost

1213
00:46:42,980 --> 00:46:40,960
immediately I found a huge discrepancy

1214
00:46:45,150 --> 00:46:42,990
from what I was being told by people

1215
00:46:47,540 --> 00:46:45,160
versus what I was reading so I was like

1216
00:46:49,770 --> 00:46:47,550
okay this is clearly not right and

1217
00:46:51,390 --> 00:46:49,780
because professionally I'm used to

1218
00:46:54,030 --> 00:46:51,400
seeing a lot of lies and a lot of

1219
00:46:55,650 --> 00:46:54,040
deception I'm like okay so this is a

1220
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:55,660
familiar story and as I started digging

1221
00:47:00,510 --> 00:46:57,850
into it there was no answer how to fix

1222
00:47:02,310 --> 00:47:00,520
it but there was plenty of here's why

1223
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:02,320
it's going the way it's going and

1224
00:47:07,020 --> 00:47:05,050
there's no defect so the logical thought

1225
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:07,030
was okay so if this is happening because

1226
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:08,800
of the increasing lines around and a

1227
00:47:11,580 --> 00:47:11,170
decrease my lines where I did it all

1228
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:11,590
wrong

1229
00:47:16,450 --> 00:47:14,450
i reduced way too much in the beginning

1230
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:16,460
I'm still surprised that I stuck with it

1231
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:19,490
because I just had no indication of how

1232
00:47:22,930 --> 00:47:21,530
to make this work

1233
00:47:24,460 --> 00:47:22,940
but eventually got on the right track

1234
00:47:28,780 --> 00:47:24,470
eventually I realized more of the finer

1235
00:47:30,850 --> 00:47:28,790
points of small reductions and stimulus

1236
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:30,860
and the close up is really no good and

1237
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:32,450
from then the improvement came pretty

1238
00:47:35,050 --> 00:47:33,650
well and then other people who were

1239
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:35,060
curious about it got into it and we

1240
00:47:40,540 --> 00:47:37,760
found the common ground of what works

1241
00:47:44,170 --> 00:47:40,550
for all of us the rest is just more and

1242
00:47:45,700 --> 00:47:44,180
more people getting into right on so we

1243
00:47:48,420 --> 00:47:45,710
talked a lot about glasses I mean our

1244
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:48,430
contact lenses any different either in

1245
00:47:54,310 --> 00:47:51,650
effectiveness or risks that we aren't

1246
00:47:56,110 --> 00:47:54,320
aware of is there any adjusted advice

1247
00:47:59,110 --> 00:47:56,120
for people who are primarily wearing

1248
00:48:03,430 --> 00:47:59,120
contacts contact lenses are awesome

1249
00:48:05,830 --> 00:48:03,440
because relative to the optical quality

1250
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:05,840
they are much less expensive you're

1251
00:48:10,270 --> 00:48:07,520
getting a much wider field of vision

1252
00:48:11,890 --> 00:48:10,280
because they're floating in your eye or

1253
00:48:13,570 --> 00:48:11,900
in front of your eye so you get

1254
00:48:14,650 --> 00:48:13,580
peripheral vision which is one thing

1255
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:14,660
that you're really cutting out with

1256
00:48:18,070 --> 00:48:16,610
glasses and that's not great so getting

1257
00:48:20,860 --> 00:48:18,080
your peripheral vision back is great

1258
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:20,870
better optical quality is great contact

1259
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:23,530
lenses in general are just a much better

1260
00:48:28,810 --> 00:48:26,720
solution to this whole changing your

1261
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:28,820
refractive state that glasses are much

1262
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:31,090
much much better sushi

1263
00:48:36,900 --> 00:48:33,490
but because there's never anything

1264
00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:36,910
without a price the contact lenses have

1265
00:48:40,770 --> 00:48:38,710
potential drawbacks one of them is

1266
00:48:42,690 --> 00:48:40,780
something called corneal thinning the

1267
00:48:45,660 --> 00:48:42,700
cornea is the front of your eye the

1268
00:48:48,090 --> 00:48:45,670
clear front of your eye and studies are

1269
00:48:52,050 --> 00:48:48,100
showing that your cornea tends to get

1270
00:48:53,940 --> 00:48:52,060
thinner with prolonged ongoing years and

1271
00:48:56,010 --> 00:48:53,950
years of contact lens wear and that's

1272
00:48:59,610 --> 00:48:56,020
something you really don't want and it

1273
00:49:01,410 --> 00:48:59,620
appears to not be reversible so that's

1274
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:01,420
not a short-term risk but that makes

1275
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:04,000
contact lens is not a permanent solution

1276
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:05,890
in my book because you're running a

1277
00:49:11,490 --> 00:49:08,170
serious long-term potential risk of

1278
00:49:13,370 --> 00:49:11,500
thinning your cornea also contact lenses

1279
00:49:15,150 --> 00:49:13,380
don't work well for close-up because

1280
00:49:16,770 --> 00:49:15,160
what happens when you stare at the

1281
00:49:19,290 --> 00:49:16,780
screen your blink rate is reduced by a

1282
00:49:21,090 --> 00:49:19,300
factor of five or so so you're blinking

1283
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:21,100
a lot less and when you're blinking less

1284
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:23,290
you're getting less tear fluid so for a

1285
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:24,370
lot of people they don't have enough

1286
00:49:29,310 --> 00:49:26,170
tear fluid the eyes are too dry for

1287
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:29,320
long-term contact lens wear especially

1288
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:30,640
for close-ups so that's another

1289
00:49:37,050 --> 00:49:34,240
limitation of contact lenses if it

1290
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:37,060
wasn't for those two things I would like

1291
00:49:41,010 --> 00:49:38,800
contact lenses more because they are

1292
00:49:42,930 --> 00:49:41,020
cheaper because optical call is better

1293
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:42,940
because you get better option if you

1294
00:49:46,410 --> 00:49:45,040
were to stay on track with making

1295
00:49:47,730 --> 00:49:46,420
improvements for example I would not

1296
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:47,740
probably be here talking to you right

1297
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:49,330
now if contact lenses worked for me

1298
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:50,800
because they would have just solved my

1299
00:49:55,410 --> 00:49:53,170
problems I would have not had tiny pig

1300
00:49:56,850 --> 00:49:55,420
eyes I would be forgetting about glasses

1301
00:49:58,860 --> 00:49:56,860
because once you put them in they're in

1302
00:50:01,500 --> 00:49:58,870
and I would have just been like problem

1303
00:50:03,090 --> 00:50:01,510
solved so the risk with for me with

1304
00:50:05,250 --> 00:50:03,100
contact lenses is if they work for you

1305
00:50:08,430 --> 00:50:05,260
they almost make it too easy to just

1306
00:50:10,860 --> 00:50:08,440
keep worrying there they seem super

1307
00:50:12,210 --> 00:50:10,870
inconvenient to me and I don't want to

1308
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:12,220
be touching my eyeball every day but I

1309
00:50:17,340 --> 00:50:14,890
guess you get used to it so let's also

1310
00:50:19,830 --> 00:50:17,350
talk about LASIK a little bit I consider

1311
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:19,840
that to be a pretty scary procedure but

1312
00:50:25,110 --> 00:50:21,610
I know a few people who have had it done

1313
00:50:27,210 --> 00:50:25,120
as I understand it is laser shaving off

1314
00:50:28,980 --> 00:50:27,220
maybe that part of the eye that has been

1315
00:50:30,540 --> 00:50:28,990
extending from wearing glasses I don't

1316
00:50:33,090 --> 00:50:30,550
really know but what are your thoughts

1317
00:50:35,460 --> 00:50:33,100
on LASIK Wow

1318
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:35,470
if you want to have a guy of and talk

1319
00:50:42,540 --> 00:50:39,370
about conspiracies Morris Waxler is the

1320
00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:42,550
guy at the FDA who headed up getting

1321
00:50:47,780 --> 00:50:44,730
LASIK approve

1322
00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:47,790
this man right like he was in charge at

1323
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:50,730
the FTA this same guy now if you look

1324
00:50:56,930 --> 00:50:53,280
him up online I mean for one moment he

1325
00:50:58,190 --> 00:50:56,940
is at the most vocal opponent of LASIK

1326
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:58,200
he says it was a huge mistake

1327
00:51:03,650 --> 00:51:00,480
he should have never been approved this

1328
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:03,660
is a dangerous procedure the problem of

1329
00:51:08,690 --> 00:51:05,760
LASIK is it's cutting a permanent lens

1330
00:51:10,609 --> 00:51:08,700
into your eye and there's different

1331
00:51:11,660 --> 00:51:10,619
forms because there's also PRK and

1332
00:51:13,549 --> 00:51:11,670
there's also smile there's also

1333
00:51:15,170 --> 00:51:13,559
different ways to try to address because

1334
00:51:18,039 --> 00:51:15,180
with LASIK the problem is that flap

1335
00:51:21,789 --> 00:51:18,049
never really heals not necessarily so

1336
00:51:24,829 --> 00:51:21,799
you're creating potentially large

1337
00:51:26,569 --> 00:51:24,839
ongoing risks that you can't reverse if

1338
00:51:28,490 --> 00:51:26,579
you look up the website lasik

1339
00:51:30,289 --> 00:51:28,500
complications it's a nightmare

1340
00:51:33,470 --> 00:51:30,299
of the things that can go wrong that are

1341
00:51:35,359 --> 00:51:33,480
all irreversible and on top of it LASIK

1342
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:35,369
is just like a contact lens basically

1343
00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:37,920
but instead of the contact lens floating

1344
00:51:41,660 --> 00:51:38,609
in front of your eye

1345
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:41,670
it's lazier cut into your eye and can't

1346
00:51:45,500 --> 00:51:44,010
be changed so if you're me Opie is still

1347
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:45,510
has been increasing it will continue

1348
00:51:51,410 --> 00:51:48,450
increasing and the LASIK doesn't fix

1349
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:51,420
anything it's just cutting a new lens so

1350
00:51:54,380 --> 00:51:53,040
if you're me Opia has been steadily

1351
00:51:56,599 --> 00:51:54,390
increasing over the years and you're

1352
00:51:58,339 --> 00:51:56,609
getting LASIK now you're on that same

1353
00:52:01,250 --> 00:51:58,349
chart and you'll you'll get continuous

1354
00:52:02,690 --> 00:52:01,260
so it's not necessarily a fixed for

1355
00:52:05,900 --> 00:52:02,700
people will still have increasing myopia

1356
00:52:08,420 --> 00:52:05,910
it increases a or introduce a serious

1357
00:52:10,370 --> 00:52:08,430
risk of side effects that are not

1358
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:10,380
reversible and actually even on the

1359
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:12,240
FDA's on website there's a page well

1360
00:52:15,740 --> 00:52:13,680
hidden away somewhere that shows the

1361
00:52:18,349 --> 00:52:15,750
side effect risks and even on their own

1362
00:52:19,970 --> 00:52:18,359
website those risks seem more than is

1363
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:19,980
worth for something that's basically

1364
00:52:26,420 --> 00:52:23,010
just a convenience procedure

1365
00:52:28,550 --> 00:52:26,430
yeah it is quite scary some of the

1366
00:52:30,859 --> 00:52:28,560
procedures that people just take for

1367
00:52:32,450 --> 00:52:30,869
granted as routine at this point I have

1368
00:52:34,580 --> 00:52:32,460
terrible allergies and I've talked to

1369
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:34,590
several people that are like oh just go

1370
00:52:39,410 --> 00:52:37,290
get the surgery where they drill out in

1371
00:52:41,210 --> 00:52:39,420
those cavities a little more and I'm

1372
00:52:43,849 --> 00:52:41,220
like that's very close to my brain

1373
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:43,859
that's very close to my eyes I don't

1374
00:52:48,349 --> 00:52:45,810
know I think I'm just gonna sniffle I'll

1375
00:52:50,570 --> 00:52:48,359
deal with it it's all right but that

1376
00:52:53,540 --> 00:52:50,580
then you mentioned about dr. Morris

1377
00:52:56,330 --> 00:52:53,550
Waxler is very important I actually had

1378
00:52:58,370 --> 00:52:56,340
his quote taken from your website I

1379
00:53:02,480 --> 00:52:58,380
wrote it down here because as you say

1380
00:53:06,500 --> 00:53:02,490
former FDA head of lasik clinical trials

1381
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:06,510
research educated guy he says the FDA

1382
00:53:11,420 --> 00:53:08,850
does not want to admit that millions of

1383
00:53:13,070 --> 00:53:11,430
people have now had a surgery that never

1384
00:53:16,820 --> 00:53:13,080
should have been approved by its own

1385
00:53:19,700 --> 00:53:16,830
rules the FDA is now engaged in covering

1386
00:53:23,359 --> 00:53:19,710
up a scandal and an epidemic and its own

1387
00:53:25,250 --> 00:53:23,369
corrupt practices I mean holy [\h__\h] those

1388
00:53:28,580 --> 00:53:25,260
are bold words man he is not messing

1389
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:28,590
around yeah he's pretty upset about it

1390
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:32,400
it must suck to be that guy to have been

1391
00:53:36,740 --> 00:53:34,050
in that position and to have made those

1392
00:53:39,860 --> 00:53:36,750
calls and now he's watching the outcome

1393
00:53:41,900 --> 00:53:39,870
and can't do anything anymore about it

1394
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:41,910
that's just crazy stuff going on and I

1395
00:53:45,620 --> 00:53:43,650
talk to people sometimes and I'm so

1396
00:53:46,970 --> 00:53:45,630
happy when I hear somebody going yeah I

1397
00:53:49,130 --> 00:53:46,980
thought about getting LASIK but when I

1398
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:49,140
looked into it I'm like that just seems

1399
00:53:52,340 --> 00:53:50,610
like a pretty invasive procedure for

1400
00:53:54,650 --> 00:53:52,350
something that I already have a fix for

1401
00:53:56,210 --> 00:53:54,660
I don't want to take that risk like okay

1402
00:54:01,040 --> 00:53:56,220
some people still have some sense about

1403
00:54:04,010 --> 00:54:01,050
them yes and as I understand LASIK does

1404
00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:04,020
tend to wear off or you need procedures

1405
00:54:11,210 --> 00:54:08,250
later does having had the procedure of

1406
00:54:13,580 --> 00:54:11,220
LASIK affect a person's ability to use

1407
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:13,590
the program and protocols that you

1408
00:54:19,310 --> 00:54:16,800
promote oh not at all actually I just

1409
00:54:21,050 --> 00:54:19,320
said a conversation with somebody Louis

1410
00:54:23,900 --> 00:54:21,060
we had a little podcast episode she had

1411
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:23,910
LASIK - five - optimi Oh pure so 20

1412
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:26,370
years ago and her vision started getting

1413
00:54:31,580 --> 00:54:27,930
worse again but it was a bit more recent

1414
00:54:33,620 --> 00:54:31,590
and she reversed that right so the

1415
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:33,630
habits thing always applies it's just

1416
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:34,890
like wouldn't I said if you want to lose

1417
00:54:39,020 --> 00:54:36,720
50 pounds eat less pizza the same thing

1418
00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:39,030
as she got into better habits that

1419
00:54:44,330 --> 00:54:41,730
awareness after focused less phone

1420
00:54:47,300 --> 00:54:44,340
distance she reversed that new male feel

1421
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:47,310
that she had back to her previous LASIK

1422
00:54:53,060 --> 00:54:51,450
helped 20/20 man that's exciting news I

1423
00:54:55,610 --> 00:54:53,070
mean I'm sure a lot of people out there

1424
00:54:57,380 --> 00:54:55,620
are thinking about their own eyesight

1425
00:54:59,780 --> 00:54:57,390
and what they're gonna do after they

1426
00:55:01,670 --> 00:54:59,790
listen to this and I know it's anecdotal

1427
00:55:03,350 --> 00:55:01,680
but you mentioned a couple times the

1428
00:55:05,450 --> 00:55:03,360
people that you've talked with I've seen

1429
00:55:08,300 --> 00:55:05,460
your YouTube channel a lot of the recent

1430
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:08,310
stuff is kind of these testimonials

1431
00:55:15,530 --> 00:55:11,490
these personal cases of what people have

1432
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:15,540
experienced and obviously anecdotal

1433
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:19,530
stuff is not always the best go-to for

1434
00:55:25,730 --> 00:55:22,530
making a case but they do stack up how

1435
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:25,740
many testimonials or positive reports do

1436
00:55:30,670 --> 00:55:27,930
you think you've heard back at this

1437
00:55:33,380 --> 00:55:30,680
point since you started the website

1438
00:55:35,420 --> 00:55:33,390
thousands and many many thousands and

1439
00:55:38,510 --> 00:55:35,430
actually this video series I plan to be

1440
00:55:40,070 --> 00:55:38,520
doing this is kind of my own little

1441
00:55:41,930 --> 00:55:40,080
I'm gonna do this until there's

1442
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:41,940
thousands of them online because I want

1443
00:55:44,810 --> 00:55:43,290
to make the statement and I agree with

1444
00:55:47,089 --> 00:55:44,820
you hundred percent anecdotes or just

1445
00:55:49,820 --> 00:55:47,099
anecdotes but at what point does it

1446
00:55:52,370 --> 00:55:49,830
become statistically relevant there's

1447
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:52,380
like five ten or so of them now and then

1448
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:53,609
there's going to be a hundred I'm just

1449
00:55:58,520 --> 00:55:56,490
gonna keep making them until so many

1450
00:56:00,320 --> 00:55:58,530
people because I send out an email every

1451
00:56:02,750 --> 00:56:00,330
year so I send an email there says how's

1452
00:56:04,099 --> 00:56:02,760
it going because when people are happy

1453
00:56:05,900 --> 00:56:04,109
they usually you don't really hear from

1454
00:56:07,940 --> 00:56:05,910
them but I get so much response to those

1455
00:56:10,579 --> 00:56:07,950
emails and I save them all and that

1456
00:56:12,020 --> 00:56:10,589
folder is enormous and now I just

1457
00:56:13,460 --> 00:56:12,030
started emailing so most people going

1458
00:56:15,530 --> 00:56:13,470
hey do you want to chat about this

1459
00:56:16,820 --> 00:56:15,540
because it's different hearing it right

1460
00:56:18,980 --> 00:56:16,830
like you read an email from a person

1461
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:18,990
versus having the conversation with them

1462
00:56:25,790 --> 00:56:22,890
and it's not to dispel the skepticism

1463
00:56:27,710 --> 00:56:25,800
because the skepticism is healthy but I

1464
00:56:29,300 --> 00:56:27,720
think it's important with those voices

1465
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:29,310
out there right and not just hey I

1466
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:31,170
improve my site which great who cares

1467
00:56:37,339 --> 00:56:35,490
but the enthusiasm or the experience or

1468
00:56:39,410 --> 00:56:37,349
that lifestyle change or what that means

1469
00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:39,420
to you as a person because you haven't

1470
00:56:44,270 --> 00:56:41,609
had this issue where glasses but this

1471
00:56:46,010 --> 00:56:44,280
really affects people right and then it

1472
00:56:47,720 --> 00:56:46,020
may affect some people in a way that's

1473
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:47,730
profound enough to when they talk to you

1474
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:49,770
about hey I got rid of this that it

1475
00:56:53,740 --> 00:56:51,330
might affect you where you go hey maybe

1476
00:56:54,890 --> 00:56:53,750
this is worth for me to look into

1477
00:56:58,520 --> 00:56:54,900
anecdotally

1478
00:57:00,349 --> 00:56:58,530
yeah yeah for sure well said and I would

1479
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:00,359
ask you if you've ever really faced any

1480
00:57:04,940 --> 00:57:02,810
pushback from the industry to any

1481
00:57:06,500 --> 00:57:04,950
significant degree I mean that's not why

1482
00:57:08,599 --> 00:57:06,510
we're doing this from a hotel and

1483
00:57:10,940 --> 00:57:08,609
Bangkok is it yeah they're not on the

1484
00:57:12,530 --> 00:57:10,950
lam are you know actually live in a

1485
00:57:15,020 --> 00:57:12,540
jungle in Burma what's the time so

1486
00:57:17,540 --> 00:57:15,030
that's more on the lam right there okay

1487
00:57:18,980 --> 00:57:17,550
but no I've had significant push backs

1488
00:57:21,260 --> 00:57:18,990
I've been threatened with lawsuits and

1489
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:21,270
people have been pretty nasty to me on

1490
00:57:26,930 --> 00:57:23,730
the internet in the past much less so

1491
00:57:28,820 --> 00:57:26,940
now because the amount of evidence and

1492
00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:28,830
the way the websites been shaped is in

1493
00:57:34,099 --> 00:57:31,520
no small part from that kind of feedback

1494
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:34,109
I'm like okay so if these people are

1495
00:57:39,050 --> 00:57:36,930
taking liberties that they shouldn't be

1496
00:57:40,829 --> 00:57:39,060
then I'm not doing a good job making my

1497
00:57:42,900 --> 00:57:40,839
position clear right

1498
00:57:44,549 --> 00:57:42,910
a lot of the benefit of where the

1499
00:57:46,229 --> 00:57:44,559
website is today is from them pushing

1500
00:57:48,180 --> 00:57:46,239
back against me when I'm saying okay so

1501
00:57:50,969 --> 00:57:48,190
we need more science like we need more

1502
00:57:52,829 --> 00:57:50,979
of their clinical journals we need more

1503
00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:52,839
people talking about the Emil P reversal

1504
00:57:57,029 --> 00:57:55,599
we need more context to put this all in

1505
00:57:58,829 --> 00:57:57,039
a perspective we need more community

1506
00:58:00,870 --> 00:57:58,839
because I don't do social media

1507
00:58:02,910 --> 00:58:00,880
I don't do forums I don't do any of that

1508
00:58:05,039 --> 00:58:02,920
stuff and I started in no small part

1509
00:58:07,079 --> 00:58:05,049
because I was being threatened by the

1510
00:58:09,239 --> 00:58:07,089
industry and I'm like okay so I know a

1511
00:58:11,359 --> 00:58:09,249
lot of people are using this but I need

1512
00:58:13,469 --> 00:58:11,369
them all kind of gather in one place so

1513
00:58:19,259 --> 00:58:13,479
these people see that we're not just

1514
00:58:22,049 --> 00:58:19,269
Jake on me and so this is the part I

1515
00:58:23,700 --> 00:58:22,059
will splice back into for everyone and

1516
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:23,710
this is kind of the wrap-up stuff so you

1517
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:25,930
have this website you provide a ton of

1518
00:58:32,489 --> 00:58:29,170
free content you do also sell a more

1519
00:58:34,049 --> 00:58:32,499
specific whittled down guide tell us

1520
00:58:36,059 --> 00:58:34,059
about a couple of the things you do

1521
00:58:40,410 --> 00:58:36,069
offer on the site for people who want to

1522
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:40,420
dig in further so the site I describe as

1523
00:58:45,390 --> 00:58:44,170
basically a collection of notes every

1524
00:58:47,069 --> 00:58:45,400
time something has come up that was

1525
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:47,079
worth talking about whether it's how to

1526
00:58:51,539 --> 00:58:49,210
guide or an improvement report or what

1527
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:51,549
you should do with glasses any topic

1528
00:58:55,019 --> 00:58:53,200
that's come up that I've written about

1529
00:58:56,670 --> 00:58:55,029
I've just rolled in there and there's

1530
00:58:58,950 --> 00:58:56,680
like a dozen categories I try to

1531
00:59:00,870 --> 00:58:58,960
categorize them so it's not ridiculous

1532
00:59:02,489 --> 00:59:00,880
to dig through but there's like over a

1533
00:59:05,249 --> 00:59:02,499
thousand different articles at this

1534
00:59:06,660 --> 00:59:05,259
point that most people use most people

1535
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:06,670
you see improvement reports from use the

1536
00:59:11,370 --> 00:59:08,650
free stuff to prove that eyesight works

1537
00:59:13,049 --> 00:59:11,380
great it's part of my thing because I'm

1538
00:59:15,209 --> 00:59:13,059
trying to be a little bit altruistic

1539
00:59:17,819 --> 00:59:15,219
with this one and just go hey this one

1540
00:59:19,650 --> 00:59:17,829
is not about the money on the other hand

1541
00:59:21,509 --> 00:59:19,660
though Google is starting to censor

1542
00:59:23,099 --> 00:59:21,519
anything that's alternative health

1543
00:59:25,109 --> 00:59:23,109
related they're starting to censor us we

1544
00:59:27,870 --> 00:59:25,119
lost like 80 percent of our traffic if

1545
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:27,880
hosting bills everything costs money and

1546
00:59:31,140 --> 00:59:29,410
I don't want to pay all of it

1547
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:31,150
out-of-pocket so what I've done is if

1548
00:59:34,030 --> 00:59:32,650
you don't want to dig through all of it

1549
00:59:36,070 --> 00:59:34,040
yourself

1550
00:59:37,890 --> 00:59:36,080
we've organized it to where you can skip

1551
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:37,900
most of the work and just go straight to

1552
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:41,570
give me the steps basically the reason

1553
00:59:44,710 --> 00:59:43,130
those are not free is because I've got a

1554
00:59:46,270 --> 00:59:44,720
bunch of bills and especially as Google

1555
00:59:47,859 --> 00:59:46,280
is censoring us more I have to put in

1556
00:59:49,930 --> 00:59:47,869
more effort into getting the word out

1557
00:59:51,820 --> 00:59:49,940
there which again usually isn't free it

1558
00:59:54,910 --> 00:59:51,830
involves effort at most time or lost

1559
00:59:56,859 --> 00:59:54,920
money so that's my trade offer right

1560
00:59:58,720 --> 00:59:56,869
like either you do it for free and you

1561
01:00:01,510 --> 00:59:58,730
figure it out it's all there

1562
01:00:03,010 --> 01:00:01,520
or we trade some resources right like

1563
01:00:04,780 --> 01:00:03,020
give me some resources I give you some

1564
01:00:07,570 --> 01:00:04,790
resources and we've got various more

1565
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:07,580
condensed versions that will get you to

1566
01:00:13,150 --> 01:00:10,130
the same place just may be quicker and

1567
01:00:17,890 --> 01:00:13,160
easier mm-hmm I think that's fair time

1568
01:00:20,890 --> 01:00:17,900
or money you decide and you also have

1569
01:00:24,430 --> 01:00:20,900
not only the curated kind of information

1570
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:24,440
packages but also courses some seem to

1571
01:00:29,020 --> 01:00:27,650
be sold out some not quite but what

1572
01:00:32,109 --> 01:00:29,030
would you tell people about the

1573
01:00:34,090 --> 01:00:32,119
particular courses or the plans for the

1574
01:00:37,330 --> 01:00:34,100
website going forward when it comes to

1575
01:00:39,370 --> 01:00:37,340
maybe more detailed things that they can

1576
01:00:40,940 --> 01:00:39,380
get involved in that maybe aren't so

1577
01:00:42,860 --> 01:00:40,950
free

1578
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:42,870
yeah this year actually this is the

1579
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:44,880
first year that I'm getting more into

1580
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:46,530
this because my attitudes just been like

1581
01:00:51,050 --> 01:00:49,050
here do it for free I'm realizing that

1582
01:00:53,660 --> 01:00:51,060
some people just don't want to have to

1583
01:00:55,070 --> 01:00:53,670
do that so right now there's a few

1584
01:00:56,750 --> 01:00:55,080
things like there's a very cheap like

1585
01:00:58,790 --> 01:00:56,760
seven dollar so measuring guide that

1586
01:01:00,470 --> 01:00:58,800
gets you into the whole how do you

1587
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:00,480
measure you guys all the ways you can

1588
01:01:03,830 --> 01:01:01,890
measure your I've said all the ways you

1589
01:01:05,330 --> 01:01:03,840
can replace the optometrist including

1590
01:01:07,970 --> 01:01:05,340
like printable a charts and all that

1591
01:01:10,550 --> 01:01:07,980
stuff to a little bit more advanced

1592
01:01:12,590 --> 01:01:10,560
things where for example our four

1593
01:01:14,990 --> 01:01:12,600
members have put together an eleven

1594
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:15,000
chapter guide of all the most important

1595
01:01:19,490 --> 01:01:17,010
things on the website so you can buy

1596
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:19,500
that and that gives you the I call it

1597
01:01:21,590 --> 01:01:20,490
the rough guide because that's pretty

1598
01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:21,600
much what it is it gives you the

1599
01:01:25,910 --> 01:01:23,760
condensed version of everything in me

1600
01:01:28,250 --> 01:01:25,920
and then there is a very detailed

1601
01:01:31,550 --> 01:01:28,260
program with like eighty some different

1602
01:01:33,290 --> 01:01:31,560
sessions personal support for me which

1603
01:01:34,940 --> 01:01:33,300
is why don't we do a few spots a month

1604
01:01:36,290 --> 01:01:34,950
it's not generally available that's

1605
01:01:38,540 --> 01:01:36,300
right may look on available on the

1606
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:38,550
website because I only do it when I have

1607
01:01:43,910 --> 01:01:41,250
time and then there's going to be a few

1608
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:43,920
more other specific ones we used to run

1609
01:01:48,530 --> 01:01:45,690
a thing for law enforcement and military

1610
01:01:50,930 --> 01:01:48,540
that need better than 20/20 vision that

1611
01:01:53,030 --> 01:01:50,940
I'm not sure if it makes sense for the

1612
01:01:54,980 --> 01:01:53,040
public because it's more ongoing effort

1613
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:54,990
that most people don't need crazy good

1614
01:01:59,180 --> 01:01:57,810
eyesight some presbyopia stuff and more

1615
01:02:00,530 --> 01:01:59,190
specific guys like if you have

1616
01:02:02,750 --> 01:02:00,540
astigmatism you want to get rid of

1617
01:02:05,690 --> 01:02:02,760
astigmatism I'm gonna add some more guys

1618
01:02:08,540 --> 01:02:05,700
and mainly all this stuff is intended to

1619
01:02:09,950 --> 01:02:08,550
help us reach a bigger audience in the

1620
01:02:12,740 --> 01:02:09,960
long term especially as you can't rely

1621
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:12,750
on Google forever to spread the word

1622
01:02:17,330 --> 01:02:15,450
well yeah cheers to that and that's cool

1623
01:02:18,830 --> 01:02:17,340
I thought astigmatism mice consider that

1624
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:18,840
maybe one of those things that couldn't

1625
01:02:22,340 --> 01:02:20,640
be helped like a biological thing but

1626
01:02:25,460 --> 01:02:22,350
that's Cooley you have a little bit of a

1627
01:02:27,079 --> 01:02:25,470
process for that too or some tools

1628
01:02:28,970 --> 01:02:27,089
yeah because most astigmatism isn't real

1629
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:28,980
once the team isms just cause by a lens

1630
01:02:36,589 --> 01:02:34,650
you salsa oh [\h__\h] so you also list the

1631
01:02:39,170 --> 01:02:36,599
pros and cons of your program when you

1632
01:02:41,809 --> 01:02:39,180
say the cons are of course that it takes

1633
01:02:43,700 --> 01:02:41,819
time it takes lifestyle changes it takes

1634
01:02:47,210 --> 01:02:43,710
some discipline these aren't always easy

1635
01:02:49,579 --> 01:02:47,220
things but also that you may never use

1636
01:02:51,500 --> 01:02:49,589
your distance vision for anything more

1637
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:51,510
than driving to work and that one was

1638
01:02:55,579 --> 01:02:53,730
just curious to me why is that that this

1639
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:55,589
would actually cause you to not really

1640
01:03:01,040 --> 01:02:57,450
use your distance vision as much as

1641
01:03:03,079 --> 01:03:01,050
maybe we already are no I'm saying a lot

1642
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:03,089
of people it was kind of a I'm throwing

1643
01:03:06,770 --> 01:03:04,890
this at the screen addiction like so

1644
01:03:08,270 --> 01:03:06,780
many people that's all they do

1645
01:03:09,740 --> 01:03:08,280
right like as you get up in the morning

1646
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:09,750
you check your phone you drive to work

1647
01:03:12,770 --> 01:03:11,609
that's the only time you need to look at

1648
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:12,780
a distance then you sit in front of your

1649
01:03:16,490 --> 01:03:15,210
computer all day then you drive home you

1650
01:03:19,550 --> 01:03:16,500
use the dissipation and then you watch

1651
01:03:21,940 --> 01:03:19,560
Netflix and you go to bed and I'm just

1652
01:03:24,109 --> 01:03:21,950
kind of saying like maybe it's worth

1653
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:24,119
evaluating do you need this because you

1654
01:03:28,790 --> 01:03:26,490
have plans to actually see the world

1655
01:03:31,609 --> 01:03:28,800
around you or are you just doing it

1656
01:03:33,470 --> 01:03:31,619
because you're just doing it gotcha a

1657
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:33,480
little tongue-in-cheek yeah I want you

1658
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:34,890
to do more with your eyesight than just

1659
01:03:39,530 --> 01:03:36,210
fixed it I want you to actually enjoy it

1660
01:03:42,319 --> 01:03:39,540
too yeah well if you're stuck inside all

1661
01:03:43,970 --> 01:03:42,329
day there's really nowhere for the

1662
01:03:45,890 --> 01:03:43,980
distance vision to go I mean you need

1663
01:03:48,859 --> 01:03:45,900
more than the square footage of your

1664
01:03:52,339 --> 01:03:48,869
home probably to use it effectively for

1665
01:03:54,589 --> 01:03:52,349
sure yeah well awesome man I think this

1666
01:03:56,930 --> 01:03:54,599
is really interesting stuff I do love

1667
01:03:58,849 --> 01:03:56,940
topics and information that speaks to

1668
01:04:01,040 --> 01:03:58,859
taking your health into your own hands

1669
01:04:03,859 --> 01:04:01,050
rather than getting caught up in a

1670
01:04:05,540 --> 01:04:03,869
deceptive system and this definitely

1671
01:04:07,250 --> 01:04:05,550
qualifies is there anything else to tell

1672
01:04:09,079 --> 01:04:07,260
people before we go any other links to

1673
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:09,089
give them or social media information

1674
01:04:14,300 --> 01:04:12,210
anything like that contact stuff on the

1675
01:04:16,579 --> 01:04:14,310
website we have a link to our YouTube

1676
01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:16,589
channel and a Facebook group in a forum

1677
01:04:19,730 --> 01:04:17,609
those are probably the three

1678
01:04:21,230 --> 01:04:19,740
destinations worth checking out like if

1679
01:04:23,030 --> 01:04:21,240
you listen to stuff rather than read I

1680
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:23,040
put a fair amount of videos out there

1681
01:04:26,089 --> 01:04:24,960
you just listened to also and then

1682
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:26,099
there's we have a pretty big Facebook

1683
01:04:30,500 --> 01:04:27,930
group in a pretty big forum if you want

1684
01:04:32,180 --> 01:04:30,510
to dive into the stuff while having a

1685
01:04:35,690 --> 01:04:32,190
community around

1686
01:04:38,210 --> 01:04:35,700
right on good to know well you are no

1687
01:04:40,250 --> 01:04:38,220
doubt dedicated and I salute you for it

1688
01:04:42,819 --> 01:04:40,260
this has been a lot of fun I appreciate

1689
01:04:45,289 --> 01:04:42,829
your time and your work keep it up man

1690
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:45,299
thanks Greg for having me on I really

1691
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:53,430
well praise be THC open your eyes and

1692
01:04:59,340 --> 01:04:57,130
see people a brick by brick dismantling

1693
01:05:03,090 --> 01:04:59,350
of the multibillion-dollar eye care

1694
01:05:05,820 --> 01:05:03,100
industry I like it this actually came

1695
01:05:07,890 --> 01:05:05,830
from a plus member recommendation right

1696
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:07,900
at a time when Shakespeare people

1697
01:05:13,860 --> 01:05:10,810
inquired about getting him on real

1698
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:13,870
double whammy and I need some PR people

1699
01:05:19,770 --> 01:05:17,290
by the way but regardless I looked over

1700
01:05:22,230 --> 01:05:19,780
his stuff thought he was a good speaker

1701
01:05:24,510 --> 01:05:22,240
who knew his material and had a good

1702
01:05:27,180 --> 01:05:24,520
microphone and maybe there was a slight

1703
01:05:31,350 --> 01:05:27,190
pinch of spite stirred into the mix for

1704
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:31,360
my previous employer it happens and I do

1705
01:05:35,340 --> 01:05:32,890
think we actually do a pretty good job

1706
01:05:38,310 --> 01:05:35,350
of beating up all my previous employers

1707
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:38,320
actually gamestop clearly contributes to

1708
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:40,570
the problem but why kick a company when

1709
01:05:45,180 --> 01:05:43,450
they're almost bankrupt anyway today we

1710
01:05:46,980 --> 01:05:45,190
poked at the profit margin of the

1711
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:46,990
biggest eye Care corporation on the

1712
01:05:52,380 --> 01:05:49,570
planet that I used to work for He Who

1713
01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:52,390
Shall Not Be Named apparently Jake feels

1714
01:05:57,660 --> 01:05:54,640
like they can be quite litigious and the

1715
01:05:59,370 --> 01:05:57,670
big ones usually are and taking it right

1716
01:06:00,870 --> 01:05:59,380
back to the beginning we've never really

1717
01:06:03,810 --> 01:06:00,880
beat up the great American cookie

1718
01:06:05,730 --> 01:06:03,820
company directly but sugar and sweets

1719
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:05,740
have definitely taken a bashing from

1720
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:09,010
time to time so if you do need a cookie

1721
01:06:13,020 --> 01:06:11,530
cake decorated despite our warnings I

1722
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:13,030
would be happy to bring out the old

1723
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:15,490
icing bags and see how I do a decade

1724
01:06:22,170 --> 01:06:19,330
later but sad stoner drop out resume

1725
01:06:24,780 --> 01:06:22,180
aside from time to time the Jacob

1726
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:24,790
Lieberman episode comes to mind and he

1727
01:06:29,850 --> 01:06:26,650
would talk about how he took off his

1728
01:06:33,270 --> 01:06:29,860
glasses and just sort of willed his

1729
01:06:35,010 --> 01:06:33,280
eyesight to work and it did he would

1730
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:35,020
equate it to seeing with the third eye

1731
01:06:39,300 --> 01:06:37,210
that's what he would say but I always

1732
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:39,310
wanted a little bit more than that and I

1733
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:41,770
think active focus is what we were

1734
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:44,170
looking for and I'm sure there are

1735
01:06:49,170 --> 01:06:46,330
glasses wearers who maybe think the

1736
01:06:52,050 --> 01:06:49,180
solution here is a bit vague or sounds

1737
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:52,060
almost too simple but if you look at

1738
01:06:56,460 --> 01:06:54,130
Jakes and myopia reviews and

1739
01:06:59,700 --> 01:06:56,470
testimonials it's pretty overwhelmingly

1740
01:07:00,480 --> 01:06:59,710
positive it's weird right because your

1741
01:07:03,090 --> 01:07:00,490
eye sight

1742
01:07:06,330 --> 01:07:03,100
seems like such a big part of life and a

1743
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:06,340
very complex mechanism the i' is to say

1744
01:07:10,470 --> 01:07:07,090
the least

1745
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:10,480
but step one is dismantling the solution

1746
01:07:15,420 --> 01:07:12,160
for what it is it's just curved glass

1747
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:15,430
with a little magnification baked-in no

1748
01:07:21,510 --> 01:07:19,330
pills or surgeries just curved glass so

1749
01:07:24,810 --> 01:07:21,520
then you give people the solution which

1750
01:07:27,900 --> 01:07:24,820
is just simply active focus and of

1751
01:07:29,580 --> 01:07:27,910
course lifestyle changes but this active

1752
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:29,590
focused thing I guess it's hard to

1753
01:07:34,770 --> 01:07:33,010
describe but it's worth a try and I'm

1754
01:07:37,050 --> 01:07:34,780
sure you could become a member of Jake's

1755
01:07:39,750 --> 01:07:37,060
sight or do your own searching now that

1756
01:07:41,910 --> 01:07:39,760
you have that term and you can just

1757
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:41,920
start the process of working off the

1758
01:07:48,210 --> 01:07:45,610
glasses seems like the eye is similar to

1759
01:07:51,359 --> 01:07:48,220
any muscle and self-healing applies in

1760
01:07:55,020 --> 01:07:51,369
this realm as well so as mind-blowing

1761
01:07:57,570 --> 01:07:55,030
lee simple as the solution might be the

1762
01:08:00,120 --> 01:07:57,580
system solution is pretty damn simple -

1763
01:08:04,530 --> 01:08:00,130
right and who's gonna tell you there's

1764
01:08:08,340 --> 01:08:04,540
an easier or cheaper way I am I am good

1765
01:08:11,099 --> 01:08:08,350
people I'm half kidding but I do also

1766
01:08:14,700 --> 01:08:11,109
like that Jake was familiar with the

1767
01:08:17,099 --> 01:08:14,710
free show plus show model and once we

1768
01:08:18,539 --> 01:08:17,109
got into the inner circle he was way

1769
01:08:22,289 --> 01:08:18,549
more willing to talk about the

1770
01:08:24,329 --> 01:08:22,299
controversial stuff or maybe the unseen

1771
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:24,339
aspects of wearing glasses that could

1772
01:08:30,300 --> 01:08:26,770
have an effect on a person but might

1773
01:08:33,059 --> 01:08:30,310
sound a bit paranoid or extreme not to

1774
01:08:36,059 --> 01:08:33,069
me but I could understand why he'd be

1775
01:08:38,610 --> 01:08:36,069
more comfortable behind closed doors so

1776
01:08:40,890 --> 01:08:38,620
to speak with some of that stuff and it

1777
01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:40,900
also never fails that when we do talk to

1778
01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:43,600
an open-minded anti-establishment person

1779
01:08:49,050 --> 01:08:45,520
who lives out in the jungle among the

1780
01:08:50,890 --> 01:08:49,060
indigenous people they see some wild and

1781
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:50,900
crazy stuff

1782
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:52,730
and I love when we have someone who can

1783
01:08:58,030 --> 01:08:55,850
share those sorts of anecdotes because

1784
01:09:00,490 --> 01:08:58,040
they were always there but few English

1785
01:09:03,459 --> 01:09:00,500
speakers are really embedding themselves

1786
01:09:06,999 --> 01:09:03,469
in that environment and even fewer are

1787
01:09:10,149 --> 01:09:07,009
reporting back so that paralysis story

1788
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:10,159
that he told in the Plus show was pretty

1789
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:11,170
incredible

1790
01:09:17,140 --> 01:09:14,449
shamans what are you gonna do some other

1791
01:09:20,950 --> 01:09:17,150
Plus show stuff was that we talked about

1792
01:09:23,559 --> 01:09:20,960
LASIK and dr. Morris Waxler we talked

1793
01:09:26,050 --> 01:09:23,569
about the red herring solutions for

1794
01:09:28,140 --> 01:09:26,060
myopia that Jake had tried along his

1795
01:09:30,729 --> 01:09:28,150
journey figured we'd save you some time

1796
01:09:34,180 --> 01:09:30,739
tips for getting children to go through

1797
01:09:37,209 --> 01:09:34,190
this process and of course we got into

1798
01:09:38,890 --> 01:09:37,219
how much the industry really knows and

1799
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:38,900
how much it suppresses the

1800
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:41,449
conspiratorial side which is another

1801
01:09:48,070 --> 01:09:43,370
thing that Jake would probably rather

1802
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:48,080
tone down than amp up but you know this

1803
01:09:52,749 --> 01:09:50,330
is where you're at so we have to do it

1804
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:52,759
but I was pretty into it just a very

1805
01:09:57,070 --> 01:09:55,370
unexpected topic and maybe it did help

1806
01:09:59,110 --> 01:09:57,080
some people we all have friends and

1807
01:10:01,390 --> 01:09:59,120
family that wear glasses maybe we have

1808
01:10:04,419 --> 01:10:01,400
children that we can help to keep from

1809
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:04,429
getting wrapped up in this system how

1810
01:10:08,910 --> 01:10:06,530
often do you go to any grocery store and

1811
01:10:11,919 --> 01:10:08,920
see a [\h__\h] three-year-old on an iPad

1812
01:10:13,660 --> 01:10:11,929
it's really the cognitive effects and

1813
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:13,670
the brain chemistry alteration that

1814
01:10:19,630 --> 01:10:16,210
bothers me most about that but this

1815
01:10:21,540 --> 01:10:19,640
eyesight thing is just icing on the

1816
01:10:24,220 --> 01:10:21,550
proverbial cookie cake you know of

1817
01:10:26,860 --> 01:10:24,230
course there are real eye issues but

1818
01:10:29,919 --> 01:10:26,870
basic myopia does not have to be one

1819
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:29,929
this seems somewhat manufactured but

1820
01:10:35,380 --> 01:10:32,570
okay in higher side news the joint

1821
01:10:38,649 --> 01:10:35,390
session this month will be on the 20th I

1822
01:10:40,630 --> 01:10:38,659
have a very busy week recording three

1823
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:40,640
different shows two of them are quite

1824
01:10:45,729 --> 01:10:44,330
complex but we're pushing through join

1825
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:45,739
me for a drink and a smoke and a

1826
01:10:50,500 --> 01:10:47,570
friendly conversation about all things

1827
01:10:54,790 --> 01:10:50,510
weird and conspiratorial 7:00 p.m.

1828
01:10:57,310 --> 01:10:54,800
Pacific on February 20th and that's

1829
01:10:59,649 --> 01:10:57,320
really it everything is running smoothly

1830
01:11:02,350 --> 01:10:59,659
for the most part I am pretty proud of

1831
01:11:04,100 --> 01:11:02,360
recent shows trying to keep things fresh

1832
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:04,110
and diverse and some

1833
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:07,530
amazing stuff is coming up to again big

1834
01:11:13,550 --> 01:11:09,810
thanks to Jake for today go to end

1835
01:11:16,430 --> 01:11:13,560
myopia org to really dig in share this

1836
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:16,440
interview with people you care about the

1837
01:11:21,260 --> 01:11:18,480
financial screws of life are tightening

1838
01:11:24,620 --> 01:11:21,270
all the time let's get one unnecessary

1839
01:11:26,330 --> 01:11:24,630
expense off our plate if we can and with

1840
01:11:29,510 --> 01:11:26,340
that I'm getting out of here

1841
01:11:32,270 --> 01:11:29,520
I am so so grateful that people listen

1842
01:11:34,939 --> 01:11:32,280
please share the show and you can I am

1843
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:34,949
largely a one-man operation plus an

1844
01:11:40,820 --> 01:11:38,130
editor plus a new IT guy but I'm going

1845
01:11:43,970 --> 01:11:40,830
up against some podcasts that are pretty

1846
01:11:47,020 --> 01:11:43,980
big machines and we're just over here

1847
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:47,030
doing a simple word of mouth thing I

1848
01:11:51,350 --> 01:11:49,530
recently spent some money on digital

1849
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:51,360
marketing and it's gotten me almost

1850
01:11:55,850 --> 01:11:53,850
nowhere compared to just putting out

1851
01:11:58,729 --> 01:11:55,860
good shows and hoping that people spread

1852
01:12:01,640 --> 01:11:58,739
the word that's it so thank you a

1853
01:12:03,649 --> 01:12:01,650
million times over I have the best life

1854
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:03,659
in the world and I wouldn't take this

1855
01:12:09,260 --> 01:12:06,449
situation I have for granted I can get

1856
01:12:11,740 --> 01:12:09,270
lazy and all other aspects of life but

1857
01:12:15,350 --> 01:12:11,750
not on the moneymaker right ladies all

1858
01:12:17,209 --> 01:12:15,360
right clearly time to go so take care of

1859
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:17,219
you and yours your move

1860
01:12:22,129 --> 01:12:19,770
eyesight secret keepers corporate cornea

1861
01:12:28,340 --> 01:12:22,139
covers and the money-making myopia

1862
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:28,350
machine you're buckin have a drink

1863
01:12:39,970 --> 01:12:34,530
enough smoke listen to the cast shiny

1864
01:12:44,169 --> 01:12:39,980
shiny spotlight but criminals on blast

1865
01:12:49,459 --> 01:12:44,179
the pinstripe man of morning and

1866
01:12:53,709 --> 01:12:49,469
families of Finance dupe on Windsor and

1867
01:12:58,129 --> 01:12:53,719
Rothschild the kids don't stand a chance

1868
01:13:01,580 --> 01:12:58,139
the kids don't the kids don't stand the

1869
01:13:05,330 --> 01:13:01,590
kids don't stand a chance I said the

1870
01:13:06,669 --> 01:13:05,340
kids don't the kids don't stand the kids

1871
01:13:11,859 --> 01:13:06,679
don't stand

1872
01:13:16,449 --> 01:13:11,869
chants we're looking for the answer to

1873
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:16,459
questions never asked so we come to the

1874
01:13:26,319 --> 01:13:22,130
car would for the higher side chat the

1875
01:13:30,609 --> 01:13:26,329
Pinstripe man of mourning and families

1876
01:13:34,859 --> 01:13:30,619
of Finance do pawn Windsor and

1877
01:13:39,279 --> 01:13:34,869
Rothschild the kids don't stand a chance

1878
01:13:42,699 --> 01:13:39,289
the kids don't the kids don't stand the

1879
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:42,709
kids don't stand a chance I said the

1880
01:14:04,649 --> 01:13:46,489
kids don't the kids don't stand the kids

1881
01:14:10,239 --> 01:14:04,659
don't stand a chance involved in shady

1882
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:10,249
business we try to get a glance we're

1883
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:14,570
working on the numbers resistance must

1884
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:20,170
advance the pinstripe man of morning and

1885
01:14:29,699 --> 01:14:25,489
families of Finance do pawn Windsor and

1886
01:14:34,149 --> 01:14:29,709
Rothschild the kids don't stand a chance

1887
01:14:37,569 --> 01:14:34,159
the kids don't the kids don't stand the

1888
01:14:41,319 --> 01:14:37,579
kids don't stand a chance I said the

1889
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:41,329
kids don't the kids don't stand the kids

1890
01:14:49,359 --> 01:14:46,130
don't stand a chance the kids don't the

1891
01:14:53,229 --> 01:14:49,369
kids don't stand the kids don't stand a

1892
01:14:56,229 --> 01:14:53,239
chance I said the kids don't the kids

1893
01:14:57,160 --> 01:14:56,239
don't stand the kids don't stand a